Finding Work Done by Compressing A Spring

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics lab involving a spring-loaded cannon and a pendulum, focusing on calculating the work done in compressing the spring for a long-range case. The original poster is confused about the relationship between work, potential energy, and kinetic energy in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the conservation of energy principle, questioning how to determine the spring constant (k) and the compression distance (x). They explore the relationship between potential energy stored in the spring and the work done. Other participants suggest verifying calculations and consider the mass of the ball in relation to the work done.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the relationship between work and energy. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculations, but there is no explicit consensus on the values needed for k and x, nor on the accuracy of the original poster's calculations.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions uncertainty about the spring constant and the compression distance, which are critical for calculating the work done. There is also a reference to a specific scenario involving a 10g marble, indicating potential variations in mass affecting the calculations.

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Homework Statement


I did a lab today in Physics in which we launched ball from a spring loaded cannon directly into a pendulum that captured the ball, held it, and swung upwards with it (representing a totally inelastic collision). One question that confuses me:

> How much work did you do in joules in compressing the spring of the spring gun for the long-range case? Which law of conservation is your answer based upon?

Some additional information: the long-range case is where we fired the ball at it's maximum speed (which I've calculated to be 4.79 m/s^2.

Homework Equations


E = K + U = 0
initial momentum = final momentum
m(v_initial) = (m + M)(v_final)
K = (1/2)(m + M)v^2
U = (1/2)kx^2 [for the spring]

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm guessing the law of conservation to use here is for that of energy, in which K + U = 0, where K is kinetic and U is final energy. The system has all potential energy (no kinetic) when the spring is compressed, which is known as (1/2)kx^2, but I don't know k...

If any other information is needed, let me know. Thanks for the help!
 
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The potential energy stored in the spring is there because you put it into it. That's the work you did.
 
luitzen said:
The potential energy stored in the spring is there because you put it into it. That's the work you did.

Yes, well, this means 2 things to me:

That the answer is (1/2)kx^2, because that's the energy I put into it (which I can't find - I don't know k, and I also don't know how far the spring got compressed [aka x]).

Or, we use the law of conservation of energy so that:
K + U = 0
K_f - K_i + U_f - U_i = 0 [there is no initial kinetic energy or final potential, so...]
U_i = K_f
So, the work I did is equal to K_f, which is (1/2)mv^2.

I did out this calculation and got some ridiculous number .0246 J... I definitely did more work than that, so I'm still so confused.
 
The method is correct. I don't know how heavy that ball is, but when I run the calculation for a 10g marble with a final speed of 5 m/s I get 0.125J. So unless you are using something lighter and/or moving slower, you'll probably have made a mistake in the calculation.
 

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