Finite difference Schrodinger equation

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The discussion revolves around the numerical simulation of electrons in a cylindrical potential well, specifically focusing on solving the Schrödinger equation and applying corrections consistent with Poisson's equation. Participants explore the challenges encountered when applying the inverse Laplacian to the electron density and the unexpected behavior of the resulting potential profile.

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  • One participant describes their approach to solving the Schrödinger equation numerically and applying the inverse Laplacian to the electron density to find corrections to the potential profile.
  • Another participant suggests that the unexpected curvature of the correction could be due to the propagation of an error, questioning the symmetry of the correction along the axes.
  • A participant explains their grid indexing method and how the wave function values are represented in an NxN dimensional vector.
  • One participant notes that the calculation of the second order derivative using points in the vicinity may cause issues for edge points on the grid.
  • A participant hints at having resolved their issue but does not elaborate on the solution.

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The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the cause of the unexpected behavior in the potential profile and no consensus reached on the underlying issue.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the numerical method used, the potential for error propagation, and the implications of edge effects in the grid calculations. Specific assumptions about the symmetry and behavior of the system are not fully clarified.

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I am simulating electrons inside a cylindrical well like the one shown on the first figure.
My current work has been on solving the Schrödinger equation numerically for the above potential and then finding corrections to the solution such that it is consistent with Poissons equation.
To do so I need to apply the inverse Laplacian to the electron density as shown in figure 2, which will give me the correction to the potential profile (at least in the first iteration). The problem is however, that applying the inverse Laplacian to the electron density shown gives me a correction as shown on figure 3. As seen it makes sense that this is peaked around the origin, since the electron density is highest at this point. What however doesn't make sense, is that it curves upwards in one direction and doesn't go to zero in a spherically symmetric manner. Everything in my problem has circular symmetry, so I have no idea why it doesn't go to zero with circular symmetry. Does anyone have an idea why this can be? Is it a numerical problem? I doubt so since my mesh size is not very big.
 

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It's hard to answer without more details of the method you use. It could indeed be due to the propagation of an error. Looking at figure 3, the correction seems to be symmetric along the right axis, but not the left axis. Is your calculation starting from the negative end of the left axis and then proceeds from negative to positive values of the left axis?
 
My 2d grid is indexed like the one attached. It starts at one corner and then the value of the wave function at each point on the grid represents an entry in an NxN dimensional vector.
 

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For a given point the second order derivative is calculated using 4 points in the vicinity as marked by the red cross on the this figure. I guess this causes problems for points on the edge.
 

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hmm I think I figured it out
 

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