Finite Fields and Splitting Fields

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The discussion revolves around the proof of Theorem 6.5.2 from Beachy and Blair's book on Abstract Algebra, specifically focusing on the concept of splitting fields in the context of finite fields and polynomial roots. Participants are examining the conditions under which a field F is considered a splitting field for a polynomial f(x) over its prime subfield K.

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter expresses concern about the reasoning behind Beachy and Blair's conclusion that F is a splitting field for f(x), questioning the validity of the second condition for a splitting field.
  • One participant suggests that if E is a subfield of F, it cannot contain all roots of f(x) = x^{p^n} - x, implying that f does not split in E but does in F.
  • Another participant explains that for any subset S of F, the field generated by the roots is contained within F, leading to the conclusion that the field generated by the roots equals F, thus satisfying the second condition for a splitting field.
  • Peter seeks clarification on whether the elements added to the prime subfield to form the larger field F are indeed distinct from the elements of the prime subfield, and whether this affects the analysis of the splitting field.
  • There is a note that the list of roots is somewhat redundant since some roots are already in the prime subfield, which Peter acknowledges as potentially answering his earlier questions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to have differing levels of understanding regarding the implications of the definitions and conditions for splitting fields. While some points are clarified, there remains uncertainty about the completeness of the reasoning presented, particularly from Peter's perspective.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the definitions and implications of splitting fields, particularly in relation to finite fields and polynomial roots. There are unresolved questions about the relationship between the roots and the prime subfield, as well as the completeness of the proof provided in the text.

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I am reading Beachy and Blair's book: Abstract Algebra (3rd Edition) and am currently studying Theorem 6.5.2.

I need help with the proof of the Theorem.

Theorem 6.5.2 and its proof read as follows:View attachment 2842In the conclusion of the proof, Beachy and Blair write the following:

" ... ... Hence, since F is generated by these roots, it is a splitting field of f(x) over its prime subfield."

I am concerned about how exactly Beachy and Blair reach their conclusion that F is a splitting field for f(x) ... ...

Now Beachy and Blair define a splitting field as follows:View attachment 2843Now the first condition in the definition is achieved in the proof of the Theorem ... but how/why do we have the second condition for a splitting filed hold ... the implication of Beachy and Blair is that F being generated by the $$p^n$$ roots is the same as adjoining these roots to K, where K is the prime subfield of F ... but how/why does this follow?

Further, is it always the case that F being generated by n roots is the same as adjoining these roots to the subfield in question - or is Beachy and Blair's conclusion true because K is the prime subfield?

I would appreciate some help in clarifying the above point.

Peter
 
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Well, you could look at it this way:

Suppose $E$ is an extension of $\Bbb Z_p$, but a subfield of $F$.

Then $E$ cannot contain ALL of the roots of $f(x) = x^{p^n} - x$, because it doesn't have enough elements. So $f$ cannot split in any subfield of $F$ and it DOES split in $F$.

Now for any subset $S \subseteq F$, we certainly have $\Bbb Z_p(S) \subseteq F$ (they might be equal, they might not, it depends on $S$).

In particular, $\Bbb Z_p(\alpha_1,\alpha_2,\dots,\alpha_{p^n-1}) \subseteq F$, where $\alpha_j$ is any non-zero element of $F$.

Just as clearly: $F^{\ast} = \{\alpha_1,\alpha_2,\dots,\alpha_{p^n-1}\} \subseteq \Bbb Z_p(\alpha_1,\alpha_2,\dots,\alpha_{p^n-1})$

This means:

$F^{\ast} \subseteq \Bbb Z_p(\alpha_1,\alpha_2,\dots,\alpha_{p^n-1}) \subseteq F$.

Now $F$ and $F^{\ast}$ differ by one element, $0$. Since $0 \in \Bbb Z_p$, we have:

$\Bbb Z_p(\alpha_1,\alpha_2,\dots,\alpha_{p^n-1}) = F$

which is condition 2.

Note that the list of roots is somewhat redundant, because $p - 1$ of them are already in $\Bbb Z_p$.
 
Deveno said:
Well, you could look at it this way:

Suppose $E$ is an extension of $\Bbb Z_p$, but a subfield of $F$.

Then $E$ cannot contain ALL of the roots of $f(x) = x^{p^n} - x$, because it doesn't have enough elements. So $f$ cannot split in any subfield of $F$ and it DOES split in $F$.

Now for any subset $S \subseteq F$, we certainly have $\Bbb Z_p(S) \subseteq F$ (they might be equal, they might not, it depends on $S$).

In particular, $\Bbb Z_p(\alpha_1,\alpha_2,\dots,\alpha_{p^n-1}) \subseteq F$, where $\alpha_j$ is any non-zero element of $F$.

Just as clearly: $F^{\ast} = \{\alpha_1,\alpha_2,\dots,\alpha_{p^n-1}\} \subseteq \Bbb Z_p(\alpha_1,\alpha_2,\dots,\alpha_{p^n-1})$

This means:

$F^{\ast} \subseteq \Bbb Z_p(\alpha_1,\alpha_2,\dots,\alpha_{p^n-1}) \subseteq F$.

Now $F$ and $F^{\ast}$ differ by one element, $0$. Since $0 \in \Bbb Z_p$, we have:

$\Bbb Z_p(\alpha_1,\alpha_2,\dots,\alpha_{p^n-1}) = F$

which is condition 2.

Note that the list of roots is somewhat redundant, because $p - 1$ of them are already in $\Bbb Z_p$.

Thanks Deveno ... Just working through your post carefully now ...

Peter
 
Deveno said:
Well, you could look at it this way:

Suppose $E$ is an extension of $\Bbb Z_p$, but a subfield of $F$.

Then $E$ cannot contain ALL of the roots of $f(x) = x^{p^n} - x$, because it doesn't have enough elements. So $f$ cannot split in any subfield of $F$ and it DOES split in $F$.

Now for any subset $S \subseteq F$, we certainly have $\Bbb Z_p(S) \subseteq F$ (they might be equal, they might not, it depends on $S$).

In particular, $\Bbb Z_p(\alpha_1,\alpha_2,\dots,\alpha_{p^n-1}) \subseteq F$, where $\alpha_j$ is any non-zero element of $F$.

Just as clearly: $F^{\ast} = \{\alpha_1,\alpha_2,\dots,\alpha_{p^n-1}\} \subseteq \Bbb Z_p(\alpha_1,\alpha_2,\dots,\alpha_{p^n-1})$

This means:

$F^{\ast} \subseteq \Bbb Z_p(\alpha_1,\alpha_2,\dots,\alpha_{p^n-1}) \subseteq F$.

Now $F$ and $F^{\ast}$ differ by one element, $0$. Since $0 \in \Bbb Z_p$, we have:

$\Bbb Z_p(\alpha_1,\alpha_2,\dots,\alpha_{p^n-1}) = F$

which is condition 2.

Note that the list of roots is somewhat redundant, because $p - 1$ of them are already in $\Bbb Z_p$.

Thanks Deveno ... BUT ... I am slightly uneasy that I am fully understanding your analysis ... so forgive me if I check a couple of points with you to see if I understand fully what is going on ... ...

We have $$ \mathbb{Z}_p = \{ 0, 1, 2, 3 ... ... p-2, p-1 \} $$

Then we add elements $$ \alpha_j $$ to create the field $$ \mathbb{Z}_p ( \alpha_1, \alpha_2, \ ... \ ... \ \alpha_{{p^n} - 1} )$$.

So $$ \mathbb{Z}_p ( \alpha_1, \alpha_2, \ ... \ ... \ \alpha_{{p^n} - 1}$$ is the minimal field containing the elements of $$ \mathbb{Z}_p = \{ 0, 1, 2, 3 ... ... p-2, p-1 \} $$ and the elements $$ \alpha_1, \alpha_2, \ ... \ ... \ , \alpha_{{p^n} - 1} $$

Is that correct?

If so, then some of the elements $$ \alpha_j $$ are equal to the elements of $$ \mathbb{Z}_p $$.

If the above is correct, then, further, of course, the elements of F* also contain the elements $$ \mathbb{Z}_p $$.

Is my analysis of the situation correct?

Would appreciate some clarification and help.

Peter
***EDIT*** I just noticed that you write:

" ... ... Note that the list of roots is somewhat redundant, because $p - 1$ of them are already in $\Bbb Z_p$"

I suspect that this answers my question ... ...
 
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Peter said:
Thanks Deveno ... BUT ... I am slightly uneasy that I am fully understanding your analysis ... so forgive me if I check a couple of points with you to see if I understand fully what is going on ... ...

We have $$ \mathbb{Z}_p = \{ 0, 1, 2, 3 ... ... p-2, p-1 \} $$

Then we add elements $$ \alpha_j $$ to create the field $$ \mathbb{Z}_p ( \alpha_1, \alpha_2, \ ... \ ... \ \alpha_{{p^n} - 1} )$$.

So $$ \mathbb{Z}_p ( \alpha_1, \alpha_2, \ ... \ ... \ \alpha_{{p^n} - 1}$$ is the minimal field containing the elements of $$ \mathbb{Z}_p = \{ 0, 1, 2, 3 ... ... p-2, p-1 \} $$ and the elements $$ \alpha_1, \alpha_2, \ ... \ ... \ , \alpha_{{p^n} - 1} $$

Is that correct?

If so, then some of the elements $$ \alpha_j $$ are equal to the elements of $$ \mathbb{Z}_p $$.

If the above is correct, then, further, of course, the elements of F* also contain the elements $$ \mathbb{Z}_p $$.

Is my analysis of the situation correct?

Would appreciate some clarification and help.

Peter
***EDIT*** I just noticed that you write:

" ... ... Note that the list of roots is somewhat redundant, because $p - 1$ of them are already in $\Bbb Z_p$"

I suspect that this answers my question ... ...

Yep.
 

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