Fixing the Constants of Equations to Unity

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The discussion revolves around the concept of fixing constants in physical equations to unity, particularly in the context of classical physics and various unit systems. Participants explore the implications of setting constants like force, speed of light, and other physical quantities to one, and the potential benefits and drawbacks of such an approach.

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  • One participant suggests that setting the constant k in Newton's second law to one could simplify equations in physics, but questions whether this can be done universally across all equations related to force.
  • Another participant notes that in cosmology, constants like the speed of light (c) and gravitational constant (G) are often set to one for convenience, but this leads to unconventional units for everyday measurements.
  • A third participant mentions that in Gaussian units, certain equations can be simplified by fixing constants, and highlights the use of natural units in high-energy physics where c and reduced Planck's constant (hbar) are set to one.
  • A later reply confirms that it is permissible to set constants to one, referencing Gaussian and Lorentz-Heaviside units as examples of this practice.

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Participants express differing views on the feasibility and implications of setting constants to unity. While some support the idea based on existing practices in certain fields, others raise concerns about the practicality and consequences of such a standardization.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of this approach, including the impact on everyday measurements and the necessity of modifying units when constants are set to one. There is no consensus on the universal applicability of this method across all physical equations.

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So I was revising elementary classical physics and Newton's equations of motion.

When you apply a force on an object in free space, far from gravitational fields, you find that the object accelerates. By conducting experiments where you vary the force or the mass and look at the acceleration, you find that

Force, F α Mass, m * Acceleration, a
Introduction the constant k of the equation,
F = kma

Now, accelration is well-defined if you know how to define length (through a unit metre stick) and time (through an atomic clock - cesium i believe is used to standardize it).
You can standardize a unit mass as well. Any other mass is equal to the unit mass if it balances out on a see-saw type of balance.

Now, we define 'k' as the force required to accelerate a mass of 1 kg by 1m/s^2
If we choose the units of force such that this particular quantity of force is one unit, the k=1.

My question is wouldn't we just be better off by setting the constant in all the relations in physics to be 1 in a similar manner.

My initial guess is that we are allowed to do this only once. Whenever we have any equation even remotely relating to a force, we can't set the constant equal to one. If we attempted to do so, we would first have to modify our unit of force, by making k≠1.

I would love to hear from the members of the Forum regarding your views on this.
 
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hi ian! :smile:
ian_dsouza said:
My question is wouldn't we just be better off by setting the constant in all the relations in physics to be 1 in a similar manner.

we can for example put c = G =1 (cosmologists often do this, to make the equations easier)

unfortunately, that would mean that everyday distances and masses (such as your height
and weight) would be measured in billionths of light-seconds and light-weights :wink:

similarly, we ought really to define µo (permeablility of the vacuum) to be 1 (or 4π, for technical reasons), but that would mean everyday current or voltage would be measured in millions of units, so we use 4π*10-7 instead
 
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In gaussian units, used by most physicists in doing their own research,
E=q/r^2, and F/L=2II'/(c^2 d).
In natural units, used by most high energy theorists, c and hbar are 1.
The most important constant is alpha=e^2=1/137, and is dimensionless.
 
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ian_dsouza said:
My initial guess is that we are allowed to do this only once. Whenever we have any equation even remotely relating to a force, we can't set the constant equal to one. If we attempted to do so, we would first have to modify our unit of force, by making k≠1.
You are definitely allowed to do this. This is the basis behind Gaussian units or Lorentz Heaviside units.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorent...ns_and_comparison_with_other_systems_of_units
 
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