Fizeau's Experiment (Speed of light)

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The discussion revolves around Fizeau's Experiment, which aims to determine the speed of light using a rotating gear with teeth. Participants explore the relationship between the gear's properties, such as the number of teeth and frequency, and the time it takes for light to travel a certain distance and be reflected back.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various attempts to calculate the speed of light, including the use of time periods and distances related to the gear's teeth. Questions arise about the generalization of the time taken for light to pass through the gaps and the implications of the variable n, which represents the number of eclipses.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables involved in the experiment. Some participants have provided insights into the generalization of the time taken for light to pass through the gear, while others seek clarification on the physical significance of the variable n and how it relates to the eclipses.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the definitions and implications of the terms used in the problem, particularly regarding the concept of an eclipse in the context of the experiment. There is also mention of a specific answer discussed in class that includes a term related to n, which has not yet been confirmed by the original poster.

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Homework Statement



In the Fizeau's Experiment to determine the speed of light, let the gear have N teeth, the frequency of the rotating gear being f, the distance traveled by the light beam/ray L (distance b/w the gear and the mirror) and let there be n eclipses(blocking of the light beam).
Calculate the speed of light.
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Homework Equations


$$Speed =\frac {Distance} {Time}$$
$$ f = \frac 1 T$$
Angular frequency(w) = 2πf

The Attempt at a Solution


So I tried solving this by using $$c(speed of light) = \frac {2L} t$$
where T will be the time for the light to pass through the teeth and then be reflected.If T is the time period of the gear, then $$t = \frac T {2N}$$
because I'm thinking that the time for one eclipse should be the time taken to go from A to B, which is equivalent to one tooth's length.
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$$⇒ t = \frac {1} {2fN}$$
And subsequently, c = 4LfN , but this doesn't include n.
So I tried a different approach and used the formula $$t = \frac d v$$
$$d = \frac {2πR} {2N}$$
v = (2πf)R
which again gives the same answer, without the n term.

I also thought of another situation, where the light goes through the gap and is blocked by some tooth(which is not the successive one) which seems absurd in itself and I don't really know how to continue.
The answer that was annouced in the class had something like (2n-1) in the denominator. I don't know where I'm going wrong.
Thank you.
 

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TachyonLord said:
because I'm thinking that the time for one eclipse should be the time taken to go from A to B, which is equivalent to one tooth's length.
It is 1/(2N) of one revolution in the first case (n=1), 3/(2N) of one revolution in the second case (n=2) and so on. Can you generalize this?
 
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mfb said:
It is 1/(2N) of one revolution in the first case (n=1), 3/(2N) of one revolution in the second case (n=2) and so on. Can you generalize this?
How does it become 3/(2N) for n=2 ? Could you explain ?
 
Gap to gap is 1/N, but you have 3/2 of that distance.
 
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mfb said:
Gap to gap is 1/N, but you have 3/2 of that distance.
Thank you so much ! After generalising, I'm getting $$\frac {4LNf} {2n-1}$$
Although I'm yet to confirm is this is the answer, but this is what I get. Again, thank you so much !
 
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mfb said:
It is 1/(2N) of one revolution in the first case (n=1), 3/(2N) of one revolution in the second case (n=2) and so on. Can you generalize this?
Okay just a teeny doubt, how do you define an eclipse ? I mean I used n in order to maintain the series but like what would be its physical significance ?
 
It is a rotation speed where the light can't return through a gap.
 

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