Flouride salt safety issues? (high temperature)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the safety and thermal properties of fluoride salts as heat transfer fluids in concentrated solar power (CSP) applications, particularly at high temperatures. Participants explore the potential for gas release during high-temperature operations and the implications for material compatibility and safety.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant is investigating the use of fluoride salts (e.g., NaF–KF–ZrF4, LiF–NaF–KF) for improving thermal properties in CSP, noting concerns about the breakdown of traditional salts over 600°C.
  • Another participant questions whether NaF can form F2 gas at high temperatures, suggesting that the generation of hydrogen fluoride in reaction with water is more plausible.
  • A different participant highlights the need for corrosion-resistant materials when working with fluoride melts, indicating that standard equipment may not withstand the conditions required for testing.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety features related to accidental release of fluoride melts into secondary systems, emphasizing the trade-offs between material construction and corrosion effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the potential for fluoride salts to release harmful gases at high temperatures, with no consensus reached on the safety implications or the specific reactions that may occur.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations regarding the compatibility of testing equipment with fluoride melts and the need for further literature on the behavior of fluoride salts under high-temperature conditions.

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Hello, I am working a on a project to improve the thermal properties (heat capacity, thermal conductivity) of heat transfer fluids used in concentrated solar power (CSP). First a suitable base fluid is required, the higher the working temperature the better for thermal efficiency. Most of the work so far is based on carbonate and nitrate salts but most of these break down over 600dC. I recently read a paper titled 'High Temperature Liquid Fluoride Salt Closed Brayton Cycle Solar Power Towers' which attempted to suggest work done on nuclear power plants could be applied to CSP.

I would be interested in experimenting with these salts (such as NaF–KF–ZrF4, LiF–NaF–KF etc eutectic mixes) in the lab but some of my colleagues have expressed concerns that fluoride based salts could release fluorine gas. The paper mentions 'Liquid fluoride salts have been injected into water with no violent reactions (steam explosion or chemical reaction)' but does not mention the potential for gas release. High temperature testing would be with small amounts in DSC and TGA. My background is more physics than chemistry so any advice is welcome.
 
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TL;DR can salts such as NaF form F2 gas under high temperatures?
 
Jack_O said:
TL;DR can salts such as NaF form F2 gas under high temperatures?

I doubt it. More plausible would be generation of some hydrogen fluoride in reaction with water.
There must be some literature on it. There are many optical glasses based on fluorides and they are obviously also generated from the melt.
 
Jack_O said:
Hello, I am working a on a project to improve the thermal properties (heat capacity, thermal conductivity) of heat transfer fluids used in concentrated solar power (CSP). First a suitable base fluid is required, the higher the working temperature the better for thermal efficiency. Most of the work so far is based on carbonate and nitrate salts but most of these break down over 600dC. I recently read a paper titled 'High Temperature Liquid Fluoride Salt Closed Brayton Cycle Solar Power Towers' which attempted to suggest work done on nuclear power plants could be applied to CSP.
One difference is that nuclear plant engineers can afford to use exotic corrosion resistant alloys for containment. You platens in your DSC TGA may not be up to it for the testing with Fluoride melts.

If I understand your premise, it is that you are looking for safety features that would be possible from the use of these fluoride melts at high temperatures if accidental release into the secondary water boiler was to happen. There would obviously be the tradeoffs of the materials of construction, vs corrosion effects for any working fluid at those temps. Good luck!
 

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