Flow in partially filled gravity pipe/tunnel

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The discussion revolves around the flow characteristics in partially filled gravity pipes or tunnels, particularly in the context of designing an inspection system. Participants explore the differences between flow in partially filled and fully filled conditions, as well as the implications of open channel flow.

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  • One participant questions whether the term "gravity tunnel" refers to a hypothetical design for an evacuated tunnel that utilizes gravity for transportation.
  • Another participant discusses the impact of the pipe's gradient on flow, noting that variations in topography can affect the volume of fluid the system can handle.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the flow being considered is open channel flow, highlighting differences from pipe flow, such as the presence of a free surface and friction along the wetted area.
  • The Manning equation is mentioned as a primary tool for analyzing open channel flow.
  • Links to additional resources are provided for further information on open channel flow characteristics.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of flow in gravity tunnels and the implications of partially filled versus fully filled conditions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

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Participants do not fully define key terms such as "gravity tunnel" or clarify the assumptions underlying their claims about flow characteristics. There is also a lack of consensus on the applicability of the Manning equation in this context.

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Hi everybody, I am working on a project to design an inspection system in a gravity tunnel. Can anyone advise me if the flow velocity in a partially filled pipe is the same as the flow velocity in a fully filled pipe?

Thank you in advance!
 
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Can you define what you mean by gravity tunnel? Are you referring to a hypothetical design for an evacuated tunnel through the Earth's mantle to travel between two cities using gravity alone?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_train
 
Are you referring to the "gradient" on an ordinary pipe? It will vary depending on the fall of the pipe from start to finish. For example you can generally maintain a downwardly gradient over some distance but depending on the topographical features of where you are going to locate the structure you may have 5 degrees fall in one area in others 3 or less which will affect the volume of fluid the system can handle.
 
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Hi everybody, I am working on a project to design an inspection system in a gravity tunnel. Can anyone advise me if the flow velocity in a partially filled pipe is the same as the flow velocity in a fully filled pipe?

Thank you in advance!
What you are looking at is open channel flow, which does have its own pecularities, one of which is the free surface at the top. Friction to flow is along the wetted area, ie the sides and bottom, which as you can now see is the major difference from pipe flow.
Surface waves, hydraulic jumps or drops from changes in gradient are two occurances that one can visually see in particular occurances of channel flow.

The Manning equation is the one equation mostly used for analysis.

Some more info at, which gives some examples,
http://udel.edu/~inamdar/EGTE215/Open_channel.pdf

and at, even if somewhat convoluted,
http://mysite.du.edu/~etuttle/tech/opench.htm
 
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