Flow over a feathered propeller

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The discussion revolves around the operation of turboprop engines, specifically focusing on the implications of starting the propeller blades in a feathered position. Participants explore the aerodynamic effects, load conditions on the engine, and the design differences between various turboprop engines.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the flow over the blades is separated when the propeller is feathered and at high incidence, suggesting this may be a reason for starting in that position to reduce load.
  • Another participant speculates that keeping the propeller feathered increases the load on the engine but minimizes linear strain on the mounting system.
  • A different viewpoint indicates that starting the TPE-331 engines in a feathered position would be hard on the starter, contrasting with the PT6 engines that can be started feathered due to their design.
  • One participant notes that the PT6 and PW120 engines have separate power turbines and questions whether the propeller is unloaded or loaded when started feathered, while also inquiring about the flow condition over the propeller.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about their qualifications and reflects on the drag versus thrust considerations during a static engine test.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of starting the propeller feathered, with no consensus on whether this condition leads to flow separation or the load characteristics on the engine.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the aerodynamic behavior of the propeller in the feathered position and the specific load conditions on different engine designs.

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The propeller of a turboprop engine is started with the propeller blades feathered (in-line with the flow): see video: . As the propeller speeds up and reaches idle speed while still feathered, and the incidence onto the blades is very high, does this mean that the flow over the blades is separated? Is this why they are started feathered, so that there is little load from the propeller?

Thanks.
 
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I have no idea about separation. Sorry.
I can only speculate as to why they're keeping the prop feathered. The load upon the engine is actually higher that way, but it would minimize the linear strain upon the mounting system.
 
It would be super hard on the starter for the TPE-331s if they were started feathered so they aren't started in the feathered position.

PT-6 have a very different design than the single spool TPE331 which allows them to be started feathered.

If you've ever seen a mitsibushi MU2 starting, you will understand why the PT6 guys start feathered.

They do it because they can and the benefit is a propeller that isn't screaming away it idle but rather gently turning.
 
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Yes, I think the PT6 () and the PW120 as well () have separate power turbines, where I think it is common to start the turboprop feathered. On these engines the starter doesn't turn the propeller directly, but my question is is the propeller unloaded or loaded by starting feathered. I think you are saying it is loaded a little, so it doesn't overspeed while coming to idle. However, I am wondering what is the condition of the flow over the propeller, and whether these engines could be started in a fine pitch as well, for a low load condition?
 
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I'm out of here now; I was never turbine-rated. My only thought was about the prop drag on the gearbox vs. thrust on the staunchion. That was based upon it being a static engine test. (At least, I hope that's what it was, because otherwise it was the ugliest aeroplane that I've ever seen in my life. :biggrin:)
 

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