Fluid and depth of hole problem

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The discussion revolves around a fluid dynamics problem involving a tank with water and holes at varying depths. The original poster seeks assistance in determining the distance a stream of water strikes the floor and the optimal depths for additional holes to achieve specific outcomes.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Bernoulli's equation and projectile motion to analyze the problem. There are attempts to derive relationships between the variables involved, including the use of quadratic equations to express the distance x in terms of depth h.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided mathematical expressions and attempted to clarify the relationships between the variables. There is acknowledgment of the complexity of parts b and c, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the derivation process. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations and approaches being explored.

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The original poster mentions being new to the forum and expresses a need for guidance on specific parts of the problem, indicating a learning context. There is also a reference to a second question regarding a physical pendulum, suggesting a broader inquiry into related physics concepts.

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Homework Statement


hey guys I'm kinda new to this forum and was wondering if you could help me on this fluid question i was having;

Fig. 15-47 shows a stream of water flowing through a hole at depth h = 17 cm in a tank holding water to height H = 43 cm. (a) At what distance x does the stream strike the floor? (b) At what depth should a second hole be made to give the same value of x? (c) At what depth should a hole be made to maximize x?

http://edugen.wiley.com/edugen/courses/crs1141/art/qb/qu/c15/Fig14_48.gif
i don't know if u guys are going to get the picture but its just a can with a height of H and a hole on its right side with the distance h from the top, and the water spills a distance of x away from the can


Homework Equations


well i tried to use bernoulli's equation for part a, but am stuck on part b and c


The Attempt at a Solution


well i used a combination of bernoulli's equation, liquid continuity equation and also simple projectile motion to find that th water falls 0.42 metres away from the can, but really have no clue what to do for part b and c...if u guys can help it would be really awsome
 
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[tex]\rho g h=\frac{1}{2}\rho v^2[/tex]

[tex]v=\sqrt{2gh}[/tex]

[tex]H-h=\frac{1}{2}gt^2[/tex]

[tex]x=vt=\sqrt{2gh}\sqrt{\frac{2(H-h)}{g}}[/tex]

[tex]x^2=4hH-4h^2[/tex]

As you can see that we have quadratic equation which has two values of h.

for max x you need to just differentiate x to get h

[tex]\frac{dx}{dh}=0[/tex]
 
thanks...i didn't understand how you got the quadratic formula part, but i knew how to do c...just u kinda needed b to do c=P thanks again
 
What I did is just

[tex](x)^2=\left(\sqrt{2gh}\sqrt{\frac{2(H-h)}{g}}\right)^2[/tex]
 
oo ic thanks...but i had one more question;
In Fig. 16-41, a stick of length L = 1.6 m oscillates as a physical pendulum. (a) What value of distance x between the stick's center of mass and its pivot point O gives the least period? (b) What is that least period?
http://edugen.wiley.com/edugen/courses/crs1141/art/qb/qu/c16/Fig15_46.gif

would i do the same thing that you did in the other question but with the formula of
T=2[tex]\pi[/tex][tex]\sqrt{I/mgh}[/tex]
and then square both sides?
if i do i get T^2 is equal to a bunch of stuff over h and i want to find the derivitave of the period so i can find h at the max and min?
 

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