Fluid dynamics in horizontal pipe

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The discussion revolves around fluid dynamics in a horizontal pipe system, specifically examining the effects of substituting a more viscous liquid for a less viscous one while keeping mass density constant. Participants explore the implications of this substitution on fluid velocity and pressure within the system.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between viscosity and fluid velocity, questioning how increased viscosity affects flow rate and pressure. They reference Poiseuille's principle and the Hagen-Poiseuille equation while considering the implications of constant pressure difference and other parameters.

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The conversation is active, with participants engaging in clarifying questions and exploring the nuances of fluid dynamics principles. Some guidance has been offered regarding the applicability of Bernoulli's equation in viscous flows, leading to a deeper understanding of the topic.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of fluid behavior under varying viscosity conditions, with specific attention to the assumptions made in applying fluid dynamics equations. There is an acknowledgment of the limitations of Bernoulli's equation in this context.

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There's a figure that comes with the question but I'm having trouble attaching it so I will describe it the best I can.

There is a large cylinder labeled the reservoir. A horizontal pipe is connected near the base of the reservoir and it is open at the other end so fluid flows out (point B). Then a small vertical horizontal cylinder labeled column 1 that is connected at about halfway of the horizontal pipe.

What will be observed when a more viscous liquid, of the same mass density, is substituted for the less viscous liquid in the system?

Answer: a lower fluid velocity at point B, but an unchanged fluid height in column 1.

I've found 2 threads on this question on another site but I still don't understand how the height of column 1 remains unchanged if the fluid velocity is slower. Wouldn't that mean increased pressure meaning the fluid in column 1 will rise?

Thank you!
 
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What causes the slower velocity?
 
Increased viscosity?
 
Yes, but what specifically slows it down?
 
Flow rate? According to poiseuilles principle?
 
Okay well take a look at Poiseuille flow, and in particular the Hagen-Poiseuille equation. In your scenario, what is changing between the two example cases?
 
I don't think anything is changing other than the viscosity and the flow rate. The pressure difference is the same, so is the length and radius.
 
Alright, so if the pressure difference is the same, what does that say about the pressure along the horizontal pipe and therefore the height of the column in the attached vertical tube?
 
Oooh I think see now. So if there was another column closer to the reservoir the height would be higher compared to the original column? But I still don't understand why Bernoullis equation doesn't apply. That's what I originally used, thinking decreased speed --> higher pressure
 
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Well first, Bernoulli's equation doesn't apply to viscous flows, which this clearly is. There are certain corrections that you can make to empirically apply it to things like pipe flow, but you can't do it straight up and you can't do it at all analytically.

Second, Bernoulli's equation doesn't generally apply to comparing points in two different flows originating in different reservoirs because it is really a statement of conservation of energy. So with two different reservoirs, the total energy isn't guaranteed to be the same in the two situations and therefore Bernoulli's equation is not necessarily meaningful. This is related to why it doesn't work for viscous flows since viscosity is dissipative and is going to break this sort of energy balance equation. Now, it just so happens that in this situation, since you held all the other parameters constant, if there was no viscosity, using Bernoulli's equation would have worked, but that result is not general and you shouldn't get into that habit.
 
  • #11
Wow it's so much clearer now. Thank you so much!
 

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