Fluid Flow/Heat Transfer question struggle

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem related to fluid flow and heat transfer. Participants explore various concepts such as the continuity equation, Reynolds number, and heat duty calculations, while attempting to solve the problem presented in the initial post.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help with a fluid flow/heat transfer exercise, indicating they are struggling with the problem.
  • Another participant asks about the density of water and the continuity equation, suggesting the use of the equation Q = vA and inquiring about the Reynolds number.
  • A participant provides two formulas for Reynolds number and explains its significance in identifying flow types (laminar, turbulent, ideal).
  • Continuity equation is discussed, with a focus on mass flow rate and its application in incompressible flow scenarios.
  • Participants calculate the mass flow rate conversion from kg/h to kg/s and discuss the areas of flow at two points, including density and viscosity values.
  • One participant successfully calculates the velocity and Reynolds number at point 1, sharing their results.
  • Discussion includes the heat duty equation Q = m_dot * Cp * deltaT, with participants exploring how to determine specific heat and temperature differences.
  • There is mention of linear interpolation for specific heat values when exact temperatures are not available in tables.
  • One participant acknowledges an error in omitting the 'per second' from the mass flow rate when discussing power in Watts.
  • Another participant suggests using enthalpy values from steam tables as an alternative method for calculating heat transfer, prompting a discussion on the consistency of approaches.
  • For part (d), participants discuss the relationship between heat transfer on the water side and steam side, calculating mass flow rate based on latent heat values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of the continuity equation and the calculations performed, but there are differing approaches regarding the use of specific heat versus enthalpy for heat duty calculations. The discussion remains exploratory with no consensus on the preferred method.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on steam tables for specific heat and enthalpy values, and there are mentions of linear interpolation and assumptions regarding flow conditions. Some calculations depend on the accuracy of the provided data and the definitions used for specific terms.

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Homework Statement


I would really appreciate if someone could help me out with this exercise in fluid flow/heat transfer ,because I really struggling with it.Below I am attaching photo of problem+table with values. Thank you in advance !

Homework Equations


Question link:[/B]
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Table link:
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The Attempt at a Solution


Struggling with it.[/B]
 
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Do you know the density of water? Are you familiar with the continuity equation?
Q =vA
What do you know about Reynolds number?
 
Hello, thank you for your quick reply.
I know Reynolds number has 2 formulas
#1 Re=Diameter*velocity*density/viscosity=D*u*ro/Mew
#2Re=4*mass flowrate/Pi*Diameter*Viscosity=4*m/pi*D*Mew

Reynolds number is dimensionless and can show us 3 types of flow:Laminar(Re<2100),Turbulent(2100<Re<10000) and Ideal(frictionless)

Continuity eq:mass flowrate m=Density1*Velocity1*Area1=Density2*Velocity2*Area2
=>m=ro1*u1*A1=ro2*u2*A2
For incompressible flow such as liquids and gasses at low Press, the density is the same, hence q which is vol flowrate has the formula
q=u1A1=u2A2

Density is 1/specific volume, we have all the values in the above steam table , but specific volume is in mg/m^3 hence density will be 10^3/specific volume.
First column in each field of the table is for liquid and 2nd for vapour.
 
Sounds like you have some understanding. Where exactly are you stuck? Can you find the density of water at point 1 and 2?
Can you apply the continuity equation to find the velocities?
 
Thank you again for your reply , really appreciated.
we know mass flowrate m=720kg/h.However we need to convert it to kg/s
The mass flowrate is constant m in =m out , no accumulation term,is at steady flow.
Thus 720kg/h=720kg/3600s=0.2kg/s.
A1=100cm^2=0.01m^2
A2=25cm^2=0.0025m^2

At point 1 at T=10 deg Celsius we have :
Density1=10^3/1.000 =1000kg/m^3
A1=0.01m^2
Viscosity Mew1=1304*10^(-6)
From continuity u1=mass flowrate/density1*Area1=0.2/10^3*0.01
=>u1=0.02m/s
Re=D*u*ro/mew
We have A1 ,we need D1;
Diameter1=sqrt(4*0.01/pi)
Hence D1=0.1128 m
so Re=D*u*ro/mew
Re1=0.1128*0.02*10^3/1304*10^(-6)=1730.06

So at point 1 we calculated:
u1=0.02m/s and Re1=1730.06

Same for point 2 at outlet where T2=80 degrees Celsius
 
That looks correct, good work.
And what about the duty? Are you familiar with this equation?
Q =m_dot * Cp * deltaT
 
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Thank you for your reply, I am glad I answered correctly.

As for c)with Heat Duty required we are supposed to use the equation Q=mass flowrate*specific heat*delta T
in our case heat duty transfer rate Q=m*c*(Tout-Tin)

We will take the cp as the cp of (10+80) degrees /2 so we will look in table for cp of 45 degrees celsius
As the value for cp is not there , and it is for values such as 44 and 46 degrees celsius we will have to linear interpolate.

Hence cp at 45 deg Celsius=4179.5(I could have estimated it as 4180, but I wanted to be more precise)
Furthermore it is not required to transform Celsius to Kelvin because the difference(delta T) would be the same , so I would leave it in Celsius.

so we have everything as it follows:
m=0.2 kg/s
cp=4179.5 J/Kg*K
Tout=T2=80 degrees Celsius
Tin=T1=10 degrees Celsius

We know Q=m*c*(Tout-Tin)
hence Q=0.2*4179.5*(80-10)
Q=58513 J (Which is the heat duty required to raise water from 10 degrees Celsius to 80 degrees Celsius)
 
That's right, except the 'per second' from the mass flow rate went missing. the answer should be joules per second (aka Watts).
Any questions about the next questions?
 
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Thank you for your answer, that is correct it is in Watts(J/s), I do not know why I forgot about seconds,I did this probably because I was thinking of Heat which is in Joule and not Power which is Watt, and I forgot about seconds from the mass flowrate.
As for d) I cannot completely understand what I am supposed to do
Thank you in advance.
 
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williamcarter said:
Thank you for your reply, I am glad I answered correctly.

As for c)with Heat Duty required we are supposed to use the equation Q=mass flowrate*specific heat*delta T
in our case heat duty transfer rate Q=m*c*(Tout-Tin)

We will take the cp as the cp of (10+80) degrees /2 so we will look in table for cp of 45 degrees celsius
As the value for cp is not there , and it is for values such as 44 and 46 degrees celsius we will have to linear interpolate.

Hence cp at 45 deg Celsius=4179.5(I could have estimated it as 4180, but I wanted to be more precise)
Furthermore it is not required to transform Celsius to Kelvin because the difference(delta T) would be the same , so I would leave it in Celsius.

so we have everything as it follows:
m=0.2 kg/s
cp=4179.5 J/Kg*K
Tout=T2=80 degrees Celsius
Tin=T1=10 degrees Celsius

We know Q=m*c*(Tout-Tin)
hence Q=0.2*4179.5*(80-10)
Q=58513 J (Which is the heat duty required to raise water from 10 degrees Celsius to 80 degrees Celsius)
Your steam tables give values for the enthalpy of liquid water at 80 C and 10 C. Why didn't you just use this?
 
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Hello, and thank you for your answer.
I did the arithmetic mean between the 2 temperatures in order to get the mean cp (in my case at 45 degrees celsius) and use it in Q=m*c*delta T to get the duty as a power in Watts.The reason I did that was because I wanted to be consistent with the formula I was given in the course, however your path seems easier, cheers for that.

I could also ,as you said use the enthalpies and calculate the Q as following:
Q=m_dot*[(enthalpy h at 80 degrees Celsius of water)-(enthalpy h at 10 degrees Celsius of water)]

This will be:Q=0.2kg/s*(335.0*10^3 J/Kg -42.03*10^3 J/Kg)
=>Q=58594 Watt
 
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For part (d), what is the change in enthalpy per kg in going from saturated steam at 130C to saturated liquid water at 130C?
 
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Thank you for your reply!
For part d)
I would say Qdot on water side= Qdot on steam side.
Q on water side was calculated at c) and it is 58594 Watt
Q on steam side is : Q=m*lat heat ;but Qwater=Qsteam=58594(J/s)=58594 Watt
and mdot=Qdot/latent heat
From tables latent heat of steam at 130 degrees is 2174 kJ / Kg
=>mdot=58594 Watt /2174*10^3 J/Kg
mdot=0.0269 kg/s
 

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