Fluid Mechanics: Cart and tank of water

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The discussion revolves around a fluid mechanics homework problem involving a cart with a tank of water and a nozzle. Participants explore the forces acting on the cart due to the water jet and the calculations needed to determine the tension in the rope holding the cart stationary. The scope includes theoretical reasoning and mathematical calculations related to fluid dynamics and momentum balances.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to start the problem and questions the necessity of calculating the mass flow rate.
  • Another participant discusses the horizontal component of the momentum exiting the tank and cart, relating it to the forces exerted on the water and the cart.
  • A participant attempts to calculate the tension in the rope using the formula T = v * m * cos(30°) and provides a numerical result.
  • There is a query about converting the calculated tension into lbf, indicating uncertainty about unit conversions.
  • Participants clarify the meaning of gc, a conversion factor relevant to the calculations in English units.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the calculations or the interpretation of the results. There are multiple viewpoints on how to approach the problem, and some participants express uncertainty about specific concepts and unit conversions.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the necessity of certain calculations, the interpretation of momentum balances, and the conversion of units. The discussion reflects varying levels of comfort with the material and the units involved.

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This discussion may be useful for students learning about fluid mechanics, particularly those dealing with momentum balances and force calculations in fluid systems.

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Homework Statement


A cart has a tank of water on it which has a nozzle. Water jets out from the nozzle onto a turn vane oriented at theta = 30° which deflects the flow upward. The cart is held stationary by a rope as shown in the image below. Find the force in the rope if the velocity of the jet is 68.5 [ft/s] and the cross-sectional area is 0.8 [ft2].

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The Attempt at a Solution


I'm pretty confused about how to start this problem. I tried starting out with drawing a free body diagram (attached) and then found the mass flow rate:
m=ρAv=(62.4lb/ft3)(0.8ft2)(68.5ft/s)
m=3419.5 lb/s

I was thinking somehow I could multiply that mass rate to get the weight of the tank or something, but now I'm thinking that wouldn't really make sense... Did I even need to find the mass flow rate?

Then I summed the forces in the x and y direction:

ΣFx=(FH2O)cos(30°)=T

∑Fy=FN+FA-Wtank-Wcart-(FH2O)sin(30°) +FB

Is there someway I could calculate the pressure at the nozzle outlet? And then multiply that pressure by the area to get the force?

Sorry if this seems a little scattered!
 

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The rate of water momentum entering the combination of tank and cart is zero. What is the horizontal component of the rate of water momentum exiting the combination of tank and cart? This is equal to the horizontal force exerted by the combination of tank and cart on the water (i.e., the rate of change of momentum of the water). How does that relate to the horizontal force exerted by the water on the combination of tank and cart?

Let me guess. In your course, you are learning about macroscopic momentum balances on fluid flows.

Chet
 
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Haha I think that's what we're learning about! I haven't seen an example like this yet though, so maybe we'll be doing problems like this next class!

So for the horizontal component of the momentum exiting should be this?: v*m*cos(30)

So does that equal the tension in the rope? T=v*m*cos(30)=(68.5 ft/s)*(3419.5 lb/s)*cos(30) T=202854.11 (ft*lb)/(s2)

I hope I understood you correctly! I'm not very comfortable with english units, do you know how to convert this answer to lbf? Or do the above units already condense down to lbf?


 
Assuming you did the rest of the arithmetic correctly, you got to divide by gc.
 
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What is gc?
 
jdawg said:
What is gc?
$$g_c=32.2 \frac{lb_mft}{lb_fsec^2}$$
 
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Hahah oh, the subscript threw me off a little. Thanks!
 

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