Fluid Mechanics & Flow: A Deeper Understanding

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the exploration of fluid mechanics, particularly its relevance in physics and potential study resources. Participants express interest in deepening their understanding of fluid dynamics and its applications, including plasma physics, while seeking recommendations for textbooks and courses.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that introductory physics courses provide only a brief overview of fluid mechanics, suggesting that the subject is rich and relevant to various fields.
  • One participant recommends Landau's book as a foundational text but acknowledges its difficulty and suggests relying on notes for initial understanding.
  • Another participant mentions V.L. Streeter's 'Fluid Mechanics' as a long-standing introductory text, advising against jumping into advanced texts without prior foundational knowledge.
  • A participant suggests Acheson's "Fluid Dynamics" as insightful for those studying astrophysical plasmas.
  • Some participants discuss the availability of engineering courses at nearby institutions, indicating that such courses could provide valuable learning opportunities in fluid mechanics.
  • One participant expresses a desire to incorporate fluid mechanics topics into an Independent Study in Advanced Classical Mechanics.
  • Several participants highlight the importance of seeking guidance from faculty for recommended resources and potential directed study opportunities.
  • Online resources, including a free undergraduate fluid mechanics book, are mentioned as additional study aids.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the value of fluid mechanics and the need for foundational knowledge before tackling advanced texts. However, there is no consensus on specific resources or courses available at their institutions, and some uncertainty exists regarding the availability of fluid mechanics courses at their schools.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of access to fluid mechanics courses and resources, with some relying on independent study and others suggesting external institutions for further learning. The discussion reflects a mix of personal experiences and recommendations without resolving the best path forward for each individual.

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It appears to me that a typical physics curriculum only touches upon topics from fluid mechanics very briefly in the introductory level physics. However, I imagine that the material there is very interesting and potentially relevant (plasma physics, etc).

If I wanted to get a deeper appreciation and understanding of these fields, what are the good topics to study? Could you recommend books, etc.
 
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Does your department offer a junior or senior course on the subject? Perhaps under the title astrophysical/geophysical fluid dynamics, or perhaps check the mechanical engineering department.

The book I was recommended in my course was Landau's, technically the bible of this subject but it's pretty tough and requires a lot of time to understand, so I relied on my notes(basically a brief summary of the first 4-5 chapters and a few other things) mostly. There are more accessible books out there but I never relied on them much.

Try googling for course lecture notes on google, some are a pretty decent intro.
 
Lavabug said:
Does your department offer a junior or senior course on the subject? Perhaps under the title astrophysical/geophysical fluid dynamics, or perhaps check the mechanical engineering department.

The book I was recommended in my course was Landau's, technically the bible of this subject but it's pretty tough and requires a lot of time to understand, so I relied on my notes(basically a brief summary of the first 4-5 chapters and a few other things) mostly. There are more accessible books out there but I never relied on them much.

Try googling for course lecture notes on google, some are a pretty decent intro.

I go to SLAC, so we only have Physics major, no engineering. Incidentally, I do have the Landau's books. Judging by my exposure to his Mechanics and QM, I probably do not want to make it the first book to learn from.
 
One of the long time introductory college texts for the subject was V.L. Streeter's 'Fluid Mechanics'. It has gone through at least nine editions. IMO, FM is not a subject where I would recommend that one jump into an advanced text without taking a dip in the shallow end of the pool first. The study of FM requires a thorough background in the calculus.
 
I suggest Acheson's "Fluid Dynamics". Our senior level intro fluids course for physicists uses it. It's very insightful. The course is taught by a prof. who studies astrophysical plasmas, so I assume the book would give you the beginnings of the fluid foundation you need to study plasma physics.
 
YAHA said:
I go to SLAC, so we only have Physics major, no engineering. Incidentally, I do have the Landau's books. Judging by my exposure to his Mechanics and QM, I probably do not want to make it the first book to learn from.
SLAC = Stanford? If so, Stanford has Mechanical and Aeronautical Engineering programs. One could take a course in fluid mechanics in MechEng or gas dynamics in MechEng or AeroEng.

And Stanford has a gas dynamics lab.
http://navier.stanford.edu/thermosciences/htgl.html

Most large metropolitan areas have universities with engineering programs.
 
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Astronuc said:
SLAC = Stanford? If so, Stanford has Mechanical and Aeronautical Engineering programs. One could take a course in fluid mechanics in MechEng or gas dynamics in MechEng or AeroEng.

And Stanford has a gas dynamics lab.
http://navier.stanford.edu/thermosciences/htgl.html

Most large metropolitan areas have universities with engineering programs.

Ha! I wish :cool: SLAC="Small Liberal Arts College"
 
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Is there an engineering school nearby?

Otherwise, one would need a faculty member who would teach fluid mechanics.

I presume the SLAC offers a BA in physics.
 
Astronuc said:
Is there an engineering school nearby?

Otherwise, one would need a faculty member who would teach fluid mechanics.

I presume the SLAC offers a BA in physics.

Not nearby enough to take a class from.

Yes, I am doing a BS in Math and Physics. We just don't have such a course on our roster. However, I will be doing an Independent Study in Advanced Classical Mechanics next semester, so I thought about possibly looking at some Fluid Mechanics topics as a part of it.
 
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You might ask the faculty in your department for recommended resources - you may strike up an opportunity for directed study. Especially at a SLAC (nice acronym) the professors may be open to this. While books on your own can be fine, there is nothing like having some guidance! It would also give you another good relationship with a prof. that may come in handy for references for jobs/grad schools.

One additional book resource: an online book on fluids for undergrad physicists can be found at:
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching.html
Might not be what you want, but the price is right. ON the surface it looks reasonable to me. Even has homework problems.

best regards,

jason
 
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jasonRF said:
You might ask the faculty in your department for recommended resources - you may strike up an opportunity for directed study. Especially at a SLAC (nice acronym) the professors may be open to this. While books on your own can be fine, there is nothing like having some guidance! It would also give you another good relationship with a prof. that may come in handy for references for jobs/grad schools.

One additional book resource: an online book on fluids for undergrad physicists can be found at:
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching.html
Might not be what you want, but the price is right. ON the surface it looks reasonable to me. Even has homework problems.

best regards,

jason

Thank you. The book does look interesting.

I will already be doing an independent study. At this point, I am just looking for some interesting topics to cover since I have a bit of a choice.
 

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