Flux from magnet (Why is the Flux not zero through the loop?)

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The discussion revolves around understanding why the magnetic flux through a loop is not zero, particularly in the context of magnetic field lines and their interaction with an open surface. The subject area is electromagnetism, specifically magnetic flux and its calculation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the definition of magnetic flux and question the assumptions regarding field lines entering and exiting the loop. There is a focus on the equation for magnetic flux and the implications of the surface orientation relative to the magnetic field direction.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of magnetic flux and questioning the original poster's assumptions. Guidance has been offered regarding the equation for magnetic flux and the significance of the angle θ in determining the sign of the flux.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and implications of magnetic flux through an open surface, with some confusion about the application of flux concepts to non-closed surfaces. There is an ongoing examination of the relationship between the magnetic field direction and the surface normal.

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Why is the magnetic Flux not zero through the loop?

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Here‘s a picture of the field lines. Why do you think the answer is zero?

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Frabjous said:
Here‘s a picture of the field lines. Why do you think the answer is zero?

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Thanks for your reply @Frabjous! because the number of field lines going into the loop is equal to the number going out.
 
This is an open surface. There is no in and out. These apply only to closed surfaces. You should review the definition of flux through a surface. According to your idea, the flux would be always zero.
 
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The flux is a measure of the net amount going through a surface. What equation are you using for flux?
 
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Frabjous said:
The flux is a measure of the net amount going through a surface. What equation are you using for flux?
Thank you for your replies @nasu and @Frabjous ! The equation for magnetic flux is ##\phi = BA\cos\theta ##
 
What is the sign of cosθ for the surface of interest? Hint: the normal to the surface is pointing to the right. The B field is pointing to the left.
 
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What is the sign of cosθ for the surface of interest? Hint: the normal to the surface is pointing to the right. The B field is pointing to the left.
Thanks for your reply @Frabjous ! I think the direction of the B-field relative to the surface normal varies along the surface.

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Yes it varies, but it is all the same sign. What is the sign?
 
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Frabjous said:
Yes it varies, but it is all the same sign. What is the sign?
Thanks for your reply @Frabjous ! I think the sign is negative because ##\theta > 90 ## so ##\cos\theta < 0 ##

Thanks again, I see why the magnetic flux is negative now.
 
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