Surface Element Conversion for Flux Through Uncapped Cylinder

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The discussion focuses on calculating the flux through an uncapped cylinder using surface integrals. The normal vector is derived as n = /sqrt(x^2+z^2>, and the parametrization of the cylinder is given by r(t, y) = , where y ranges from -2 to 2 and t from 0 to 2π. The surface area is confirmed to be S = πa²h, and it is clarified that no conversion of dS is necessary for this specific case. The discussion also touches on the general case of surface integrals and the formula for the directed surface element.

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Homework Statement


In the attached image.

Homework Equations


Gradient(x, y, z) * <f, g, h> = <fx, gy, hz>

The Attempt at a Solution


Because the cylinder's not capped, I know that all the flux will be in the radial direction. So, I can find a normal vector by finding the gradient of the cylinder: n = <2x, 0, 2z>/(2sqrt(x^2+z^2)) = <x, 0, z>/sqrt(x^2+z^2)

Now, I want to put this in terms of t (the angle) and h (y):
r(t, y) = <acos(t), h, asin(t)>
Where: y: (-2, 2) and t: [0, 2pi)

Now we can rewrite the integrand:
<acos(t)/sqrt(a), 0, asin(t)/sqrt(a)> * <acos(t)/sqrt(a), 0, asin(t)/sqrt(a)> dS
=(a^2cos^2(t) + a^2sin^2(t))/a dS
=a dS

Now, the only thing I'm confused by (assuming everything else is right), is what to do with dS. I know it needs to be put in terms of dt and dh (where I already have the limits of integration), but I am unsure of how to perform this conversion.
 

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Isn't the vector ## \vec{E }## of the field used in this flux equation simply a unit vector in the radially outward direction? If it is, (and I don't know that I should be giving you this much of the answer, but the problem is almost trivial), isn't the flux equal to the surface area?
 
Charles Link said:
Isn't the vector ## \vec{E }## of the field used in this flux equation simply a unit vector in the radially outward direction? If it is, (and I don't know that I should be giving you this much of the answer, but the problem is almost trivial), isn't the flux equal to the surface area?
I believe the answer should be a multiplied by the surface area, but I a unsure how to properly evaluate the integral, converting dS to be in terms of dt and dh.
 
RoyalFlush100 said:
I believe the answer should be a multiplied by the surface area, but I a unsure how to properly evaluate the integral, converting dS to be in terms of dt and dh.
You don't need to do any conversion. Surface area ## S=\pi a^2 h ##.
 
Charles Link said:
You don't need to do any conversion. Surface area ## S=\pi a^2 h ##.
Okay. Just curious though, how would I perform that conversion in a less trivial case?
 
Surface integrals in the general case can take much effort to evaluate. The problem, I think, was designed to keep it simple.
 
In the general case, where you have a surface parametrised by the two variables ##t## and ##s##, the directed surface element is given by
$$
\newcommand{\dd}[2]{\frac{\partial #1}{\partial #2}}
d\vec S = \vec n \, dS = \dd{\vec x}{t} \times \dd{\vec x}{s} dt\, ds,
$$
where ##\vec x## is the position vector (which on the surface is parametrised by ##t## and ##s##.
 
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