Flux through a square and rectangle

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The discussion focuses on calculating the flux of two vector fields through specified surfaces. For the first vector v1 = (1, 3, 5) through a 2×2 square in the x-z plane, the initial calculation yielded a flux of 20, but the normal direction was misidentified as being in the z direction instead of the y direction. For the second vector v2 = (z, y, -x) through a rectangle, the calculated flux was -5/2, which raised concerns about the negative value. Participants clarified that the sign of the flux depends on the orientation of the normal vector and emphasized the importance of proper integration order. Overall, the conversation highlights common pitfalls in surface integrals and the need for careful attention to detail in calculations.
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Homework Statement


Flux:
a. Calculate the flux of the vector v1 = (1, 3 5) through a 2×2 square in the x-z plane (i.e., y = 0).
b. Calculate the flux of the vector v2=(z, y, -x) through this rectangle:0≤ x ≤3, 0≤ y ≤ 2, z = 0..


The Attempt at a Solution


I guess flux is suppose to be some kind of surface integral though I don't recall doing these in calculus before. That's not to say I didn't.. but I simply don't remember them. I've looked up the integral methods and this is what I got:
A. \int \vec{v_1}da
z=0, da=dxdy\hat{z}
\int^2_0 5 dxdy = 5(2)(2)=20

B. \int \vec{v_3}da
again z=0, da=dxdy\hat{z}
\int -x dxdy
\int^3_0 -x dx= -9/2
\int^2_0 dy=2
=-5/2

First thing that strikes me is the negative in B. I don't think that I should have a negative flux if I'm understanding this right. Can anyone help me understand this?
 
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hi bowlbase! :smile:
bowlbase said:
First thing that strikes me is the negative in B. I don't think that I should have a negative flux if I'm understanding this right. Can anyone help me understand this?

it depends whether you regard the normal as being in the positive or negative z direction

since the question doesn't say, it doesn't matter :wink:
a. Calculate the flux of the vector v1 = (1, 3 5) through a 2×2 square in the x-z plane (i.e., y = 0).

The Attempt at a Solution


I guess flux is suppose to be some kind of surface integral though I don't recall doing these in calculus before. That's not to say I didn't.. but I simply don't remember them. I've looked up the integral methods and this is what I got:
A. \int \vec{v_1}da
z=0, da=dxdy\hat{z}
\int^2_0 5 dxdy = 5(2)(2)=20

correct method, but
i] you've misread the question … the normal is in the y direction!
ii] please always write ∫∫ not ∫ for a double integral, and you're less likely to make mistake :wink:
b. Calculate the flux of the vector v2=(z, y, -x) through this rectangle:0≤ x ≤3, 0≤ y ≤ 2, z = 0..

B. \int \vec{v_3}da
again z=0, da=dxdy\hat{z}
\int -x dxdy
\int^3_0 -x dx= -9/2
\int^2_0 dy=2
=-5/2

no, you seem to have evaluated ∫∫ xdxdy as a sum of two integrals

you need to integrate wrt x first, then integrate that result wrt y
 
A) its funny that I have done it correctly on paper but incorrectly here. I'm not paying enough attention I guess.

B) no idea why I added those. I'm glad that I at least had the correct idea.

thanks for the help!
 
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