Flux Through Sphere: Cylindrical Coordinates

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric flux through a sphere when the electric field is expressed in cylindrical coordinates. The original poster attempts to navigate the complexities of integrating in cylindrical coordinates as opposed to converting to spherical coordinates, which they find challenging.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of using cylindrical coordinates for the electric field and the integration process. There are questions about the limits of integration and the appropriateness of the coordinate system for the problem. Some participants express confusion regarding the notation and terminology used in cylindrical coordinates.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and the coordinate systems involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the notation and potential methods for approaching the problem, but no consensus has been reached on the best way to proceed.

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There is mention of different conventions for cylindrical coordinates, which may lead to confusion. The original poster is also tasked with graphing the divergence on the sz plane, adding another layer of complexity to the problem.

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Homework Statement


The trick to this problem is the E field is in cylindrical coordinates.
##E(\vec{r})=Cs^2\hat{s}##

Homework Equations


##\int E \cdot dA##

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried converting the E field into spherical coords and I can find the flux that way but it is a complicated answer. The problem suggests keeping the field in cylindrical and doing the integral of the circle in cylindrical instead of spherical. I'm sort of lost on how I would do that. Would I have the limits of s be 0→R and z -R→R and ##\phi## the same as hat it would normally be?

I doubt it is that simple but since I've never tried to use non-optimal coordinates for an object I'm not entirely sure how I would go about this.
 
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The problem is to find the flux through a sphere where the E field is given in cylindrical coordinates. I can't convert the field into spherical as the question specifically asks that I do it the other way. And, I must also finally graph the divergence on the sz plane.
 
For example

##E=Cs^2\hat{s}##
##s=rsin(\theta)## and ##\hat{s}=sin(\theta)\hat{r}+cos(\theta)\hat{\theta}##
so ##E=(rsin(\theta))^2(sin(\theta)\hat{r}+cos(\theta)\hat{\theta})##
##\int E \cdot dA=E4\pi r^2=4\pi r^2(rsin(\theta))^2(sin(\theta)\hat{r}+cos(\theta)\hat{\theta})##

The next step it asks me to calculate the divergence of E and then graph it on the sz plane.

I can do this with the original equation but I now have answers in two different coordinate systems. Which I suppose sounds fair since they did gave me two also.

##∇\cdot E=\frac{1}{s}\frac{∂}{∂s}(sE_s)##
##=\frac{C}{s}(3s^2)=3Cs##

Finally, it asks that I now do the integral ##\int (∇\cdot E) dV## to show that the two methods are equivalent. At first glance I would say they are not. So I probably made a mistake somewhere.
 
I've never encountered "s" in any cylindrical coordinate system. The cylindrical coordinates are usually denoted r, theta, z or r, phi, z.

Also, your ## expressions are not being translated, at least not on my computer.
 
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I get that a lot. It's something, I think, that is inherited from Griffiths since his books are popular on campus.

We normally do ##(s,\phi, z)##
 
bowlbase said:
I get that a lot. It's something, I think, that is inherited from Griffiths since his books are popular on campus.

We normally do ##(s,\phi, z)##

OK, that's fine. Griffith is very popular so maybe things have changed since my time ...

And I apologize for my comment about your ## expressions. I was looking at the "go advanced" window ...

Gotta think a bit.

Meanwhile, you might re-post this in the math section since it involves a dot-product in cylindrical coordinates. I would have to translate the components into cartesians before taking the dot product unless it's very simple.
 
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