FM Ratio Detector is not working

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hi ,
please
can somebody help me about this circuit, is not working i don't get audio signal
here is my circuit rename in asc frm txt
thanks
LTspice schematic of an FM ratio detector circuit with transistor Q1 2N3904, transformer-coupled tank L1, L2, L3, L4, L6, diodes D1 and D3 1N60, and output labelled AUDIOOUT.
 
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michael1978 said:
this circuit, is not working i don't get audio signal
Comparing your ratio detector circuit with the standard design, reveals the problem.

Circuit schematic of an FM ratio detector with a transistor, tuned transformer, two diodes, resistors labelled 2.2 kΩ, 10 kΩ, 47 kΩ, 68 Ω and 75 kΩ, capacitors 330 pF, 5 pF and 0.01 µF, and outputs labelled MPX, Audio and AGC.
 
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  • Circuit schematic of an FM ratio detector with a transistor, tuned transformer, two diodes, resistors labelled 2.2 kΩ, 10 kΩ, 47 kΩ, 68 Ω and 75 kΩ, capacitors 330 pF, 5 pF and 0.01 µF, and outputs labelled MPX, Audio and AGC.
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NascentOxygen said:
Comparing your ratio detector circuit with the standard design, reveals the problem.

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hello NascenOxygen, in my book it looks like this, so what do you think where is the problem?
 
michael1978 said:
hello NascenOxygen, in my book it looks like this, so what do you think where is the problem?
There is no path linking your AUDIO OUT line to the audio side of the detector.
 
NascentOxygen said:
There is no path linking your AUDIO OUT line to the audio side of the detector.
from this circuit i did it in ltspice i thought he going to work but not

is not audioouput the output from detector? of where is? in my book the output is taken from the audiooutput, after send to ic lm386 TO MAKE IT STRONGER THE audio signal...
 
Circuit schematic of an FM ratio detector with transformers T1 and T2, diodes D1 and D2, capacitors C1, C2 RF BP, C3 RF BP and C5, resistors R1 and R2, an FM Input source, Vc marked, and AF Output. Labelled Figure 9-7.
Partial circuit schematic of an FM radio stage showing an FM ratio detector with two 1N60 diodes, transformers T3 and T4, and deemphasis network, alongside an LM386 audio power amplifier with volume control R19 50K.
NascentOxygen said:
There is no path linking your AUDIO OUT line to the audio side of the detector.
look this circuits from book, what do you think what for mistake i make
Partial circuit schematic of an FM radio stage showing an FM ratio detector with two 1N60 diodes, transformers T3 and T4, and deemphasis network, alongside an LM386 audio power amplifier with volume control R19 50K.


this is similar
 
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  • Circuit schematic of an FM ratio detector with transformers T1 and T2, diodes D1 and D2, capacitors C1, C2 RF BP, C3 RF BP and C5, resistors R1 and R2, an FM Input source, Vc marked, and AF Output. Labelled Figure 9-7.
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Your circuit looks good to me.
Is it the simulation that does not work or the circuit that you built?
The simulation you posted is a Transient analysis. But you need an AC analysis to get audio output.
If the circuit you built is not working, do the usual troubleshooting. Check all wiring and make sure the parts are the right values.

Cheers,
Tom
 
Tom.G said:
Your circuit looks good to me.
Is it the simulation that does not work or the circuit that you built?
The simulation you posted is a Transient analysis. But you need an AC analysis to get audio output.
If the circuit you built is not working, do the usual troubleshooting. Check all wiring and make sure the parts are the right values.

Cheers,
Tom
Hello Tom, i think that, the value of L2 L3 are not correct, but i going to try to looks everything is ok wiring
Have a nice day….
 
Tom.G said:
Your circuit looks good to me.
Is it the simulation that does not work or the circuit that you built?
The simulation you posted is a Transient analysis. But you need an AC analysis to get audio output.
If the circuit you built is not working, do the usual troubleshooting. Check all wiring and make sure the parts are the right values.

Cheers,
Tom
Hi Tom, i check all wiring, eveything is okey, i change the values of transformer, they change, but is not working.
 
michael1978 said:
Hi Tom, i check all wiring, eveything is okey, i change the values of transformer, they change, but is not working.
The transformer primary and secondary are resonant circuits, and I think they are supposed to both be tuned to resonate at the same frequency. So as you sweep the input frequency, monitor the transformer primary and secondary signals and make sure their signal peaks do co-incide. Trim the capacitances until the peaks do coincide, and at the design frequency.

Are you saying the simulation works okay, but your wired circuit does not? Or does neither work as expected?
 
michael1978 said:
Thanks everyone i fixed……...:wink:
How? What did you change to make it work?
 
Tom.G said:
How? What did you change to make it work?
HI, somebody told me, to change the value of IF transformer he show me the value… now is working
here
LTspice schematic of an FM ratio detector circuit: a 2N3904 transistor stage with V1 SFFM source, a tuned IF transformer (K L1 L2 L3 L4 L6), two OA91 diodes, a C4/C7 divider, output resistor R1 7.5K and AUDIOOUT node.
 
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Hello
I have similar problem but with circuit I build not with simulation
which by the way show nothing,
I use BLUE i.f. transformer which should be FM detector and now from the answers above
which solution is proper.

1.This one where two 1nF caps connection goes to audio output before 7.5k resistor
2.This one where two 1nF caps connection goes to GND
thanks !