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The discussion revolves around understanding limits in calculus, particularly focusing on the limit of absolute value functions and the application of the Squeeze Theorem. Participants explore specific limit problems and seek guidance on how to approach proofs related to these concepts.

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  • One participant questions whether the limit of an absolute value function can ever exist, expressing confusion about the concept despite understanding the mechanics.
  • Another participant asserts that the limit of the absolute value function does exist for all real numbers, providing examples to illustrate this point.
  • Participants discuss the Squeeze Theorem and the need to find bounding functions for the limit problem involving the expression sqrt(X)[1 + sin^2(2PI/X)].
  • Suggestions are made to consider functions that are both above and below the target function to apply the Squeeze Theorem effectively.
  • Hints are provided regarding the maximal and minimal values of sin^2(2PI/X) to assist in finding appropriate bounding functions.

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There is no consensus on the specific approaches to the limit problems, as participants offer different suggestions and examples without resolving the underlying confusion about the concepts.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the application of the Squeeze Theorem and the behavior of absolute value functions, indicating a need for further clarification on these topics.

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Ok, so it's my first semester of Calculus and I'm completely lost. My professor is this old Korean guy who doesn't speak English and I'm in desperate need of some understanding.

1. |X| = {x if x >= 0 and -x if x <0
lim x->a |X| Does not exists.

My first question is can the limit of an absolute value function ever exists? I understand the mechanics, just not the concept :(.

2. The Squeeze Theorem
If f(X) <= h(X) <= h(x) when x is near a (except possibly at a) and

lim x->a f(X) = lim x->A h(X) = L

then

lim x->a g(X) = L

Question: Prove that lim x->0+ suareroot(X)[1 + sin^2(2PI/X)] = 0.

Sorry for my semi-broken representation. It's a mixture of C++ sytanx and algebra... I don't think it works so well but I hope it can be understood. Anyway, I don't even know where to begin setting up the proof...

Anyone have an tips that might help? I'm going to search the net and try and find something that can help.

Shwank
 
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First, you should probably post a question like this in the homework section, since it will get more responses there, and also that is where homework is supposed to be posted (since I am guessing it is homework, or at least feels like it).

For question 1 I am not sure what you are trying to do.

|x| is continuous and thus the \lim_{x\to a}|x| = |a|. So I guess to answer your question, yes the limit of the absolute value function can exist, and it exist for all x \in \mathbb{R}.

For the second question you want to find a function that is below suareroot(X)[1 + sin^2(2PI/X)] and one that is above. Of course you want each of these functions such that the limit as x->0+ is 0. So try to think of some functions (ones that you can easily compute the lim as x-> 0 for) and verify that the lower function is below suareroot(X)[1 + sin^2(2PI/X)] and that the upper function is above it.

Could you take the lower function as the zero function? That is, is 0 <= suareroot(X)[1 + sin^2(2PI/X)] for all x? And does the lim x>0+ of 0 = 0? Now try to find a function that is above, and show that it is above for all x, and that the limit x->0+ of that function is 0.
 
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shwanky said:
My first question is can the limit of an absolute value function ever exists? I understand the mechanics, just not the concept :(.
Think of these few examples:

Does the limit of |x^2| as x approaches 0 exist?
Does the limit of |x| as x approaches 1 exist?

Let f(x) = sin(x) if x>0, -sin(x) if x<0, and 0 if sin(x) = 0

Does the limit of |f(x)| as x approaches 0 exist?

shwanky said:
Question: Prove that lim x->0+ suareroot(X)[1 + sin^2(2PI/X)] = 0.
Can you think of a function g(x), where g(x) is greater than x^(1/2)[1 + sin^2(2PI/X)] for all x and as x approaches 0 from the right g(x) tends towards 0?

Can you think of a function h(x), where h(x) is less than x^(1/2)[1 + sin^2(2PI/X)] for all x and as x approaches 0 from the right h(x) tends towards 0?

**hint** what is the maximal and minimal value of sin^2(2PI/X)
 
Thank you both for the help. :)... With your hints, and help from tutors at school I was able to understand.
 

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