Force between cylindrical capacitors

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The discussion revolves around the forces between cylindrical capacitors, particularly focusing on the variations in radial separation and length of the capacitors. Participants are trying to clarify the parameters affecting the system, such as the distance between the capacitors and the implications of the inner cylinder's position.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are questioning how to define the variable x in relation to the inner conductor's position and its effect on the capacitor's length. There are discussions about whether to consider the radial separation or the length of the capacitor as the variable being altered.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have suggested specific equations to consider for calculating forces under varying conditions, while others are seeking clarification on definitions and relationships between variables.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the inner cylinder being partially withdrawn along the common axis, which raises questions about how this affects the length L and the overall configuration of the capacitors. Participants are also considering the implications of keeping charge or voltage constant in their calculations.

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I'm not sure what is being varied here, radial separation between capacitors x = (b-a) or whether the capacitors can slide up and down so as to change the length L of the capacitor..
 
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unscientific said:
I'm not sure what is being varied here, radial separation between capacitors x = (b-a) or whether the capacitors can slide up and down so as to change the length L of the capacitor..

Since the question states that the inner cylinder is partially withdrawn along the common axis, I think it's L that is varied.
 
TSny said:
Since the question states that the inner cylinder is partially withdrawn along the common axis, I think it's L that is varied.

OK, so for constant Q, the force is (1/2)Qo(∂V/∂L), and constant V, the force is (0.5)V^2 (∂C/∂L):

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How are you defining x? Is it the amount by which the inner conductor is withdrawn or the amount by which the inner conductor is still inside the outer conductor? Or does x represent something else?

How would you write C in terms of x?
 
Won't it be much better to use the equation ##U=\frac{Q^2}{2C}## and calculate the force when the charge is constant?
 
TSny said:
How are you defining x? Is it the amount by which the inner conductor is withdrawn or the amount by which the inner conductor is still inside the outer conductor? Or does x represent something else?

How would you write C in terms of x?

Sorry i meant L instead of x.
 
Pranav-Arora said:
Won't it be much better to use the equation ##U=\frac{Q^2}{2C}## and calculate the force when the charge is constant?

The C is in the denominator, which gives a C-2(∂C/∂L) term
 

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