Force between two halves of a current carrying hollow cylinder

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The discussion revolves around the forces between two halves of a current-carrying hollow cylinder, focusing on the magnetic interactions and pressure involved. Participants explore the implications of magnetic fields generated by the currents and how they affect the forces acting on the semicylindrical sections.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • One participant presents a detailed calculation involving magnetic pressure and the magnetic field at the surface of the cylinder, while another considers an alternative approach using elemental currents and integration. Questions arise regarding the correct application of magnetic field values and the assumptions made about the fields inside and outside the cylinder.

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Participants are actively engaging with different methods to derive the force between the cylinder halves. Some are questioning the assumptions regarding the magnetic field contributions, while others seek references for the magnetic pressure formula. There is no clear consensus yet, as different interpretations and methods are being explored.

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Participants are navigating potential discrepancies in their calculations, particularly regarding the magnetic field values used in their approaches. There is an ongoing discussion about the validity of certain assumptions and how they impact the derived results.

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Homework Statement
A thin cylindrical shell of radius
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R carries a steady current
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I along its surface (the current flows parallel to the axis of the cylinder, i.e. into or out of the page).
The cylinder is cut lengthwise into two equal halves (each being a semicylindrical shell) and the two halves are kept close together, parallel, as shown.

Find the magnitude of the magnetic force between the two halves per unit length of the cylinder.
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Here is my solution:
Consider a thin cylindrical shell of radius ##R## carrying total current ##I##, cut lengthwise into two identical semicylindrical halves of length ##l##.
We can treat the flat cut face between the halves as a surface experiencing magnetic pressure
## p=\frac{B^2}{2\mu_0}, ##
where ##B## is the magnetic field just outside the shell. For a thin cylindrical shell (far from the ends) the field at the surface is approximately given by
## B= \frac{\mu_0 I}{2\pi R}. ##
The projected (flat) area of the cut face is
## A_{\rm cut}=(\text{width})\times(\text{height})=2R\cdot\ell. ##
Thus the force (attractive) between the two halves is
## F_{\rm}=p\;A_{\rm cut}
=\frac{B^2}{2\mu_0}\,(2R\ell)
=\frac{1}{2\mu_0}\left(\frac{\mu_0 I}{2\pi R}\right)^2(2R\ell). ##
Simplifying:
## \boxed{\,F_{\rm approx}=\frac{\mu_0 I^2\ell}{4\pi^2 R}\,}
\qquad\Longrightarrow\qquad
\boxed{\,\frac{F_{\rm}}{\ell}=\frac{\mu_0 I^2}{4\pi^2 R}\,.} ##
and this is the expected answer as well.

However, I am thinking of another approach, which involves considering small elemental wires carrying an infinitesimal current given by ##di##.

Let the thin cylindrical shell of radius ##R## carry total current ##I##. Parameterising the surface by the azimuthal angle ##\theta##, An elemental current on the right-hand semicylinder is
## dI(\theta)=\frac{I}{2\pi}\,d\theta. ##

we can see that the elemental current ##dI## experiences a magnetic force when placed in a magnetic field ##B## and also we need to take the horizontal (effective) component via a factor ##\cos\theta##, as the other component would cancel out fully. Then the elemental horizontal force is written as
## dF(\theta) = dI(\theta)\;\ell\;B\;\cos\theta. ##

Integrating ##dF## over the right semicylinder ##\theta\in[-\tfrac{\pi}{2},\tfrac{\pi}{2}]##:
##
\begin{aligned}
F &= \int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2} dF(\theta)
= \ell B \int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2} \frac{I}{2\pi}\cos\theta\,d\theta \\[6pt]
&= \ell B\left(\frac{I}{2\pi}\right)\big[ \sin\theta \big]_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2}
= \ell B\left(\frac{I}{2\pi}\right)(1-(-1)) \\[6pt]
&= \ell B\left(\frac{I}{\pi}\right).
\end{aligned}
##

if we use the entire field caused by the whole cylinder, for the value of B
## B = \frac{\mu_0 I}{2\pi R}, ##
then substituting gives
##
\begin{aligned}
F &= \ell\left(\frac{I}{\pi}\right)\left(\frac{\mu_0 I}{2\pi R}\right)
= \frac{\mu_0 I^2 \ell}{2\pi^2 R}.
\end{aligned}
##

Which seems to differ from the correctly derived answer by a factor of 1/2 . I feel the mistake lies in substituting the incorrect value of B. But I am unsure how to correct this.
 
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Look at the figure on the right. The total force holding the right half in place is ##F_{\text{total}}=2pA## where ##A## is some appropriate cross sectional area.

Can you provide a derivation or reference for ##p=\frac{B^2}{2\mu_0}~##?
 
also, I think I have found the answer to my question.
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let ##B_2## be the magnetic field due to the rest of the cylinder and ##B_1## be that due to the current element alone. then, if we assume that the magnetic field magnitude does NOT change considerably inside and outside the cylinder, then ##B_1=B_2## and ##B_2=\frac{\mu_0 I}{4\pi R}##
(##B_1-B_2=0## as we may say by ampere's law that ##B_{in}=0##)
so they key thing was that, I had to take the magnetic field due to the REST part, excluding that of the current element in consideration.

However, this logic does NOT seem to apply in this very similar case: (refer:https://physics.stackexchange.com/q...between-two-halves-of-a-current-carrying-wire)

where the same problem is considered, except the cylinder is solid. Here is the approach suggested online, which yields the CORRECT answer:
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(I hope the diagram is self-explanatory, the approach is same as what I had done in my second method.)

Here, even though the field due to the elemental current itself is NOT ignored, integrating over the horizontal component gives the correct answer.

Hope my main query has been conveyed clearly
Help is appreciated.
 

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