Force between two perpendicular wires

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force between two perpendicular wires using the magnetic field generated by one wire on the other. The subject area includes electromagnetism and vector analysis of forces in magnetic fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the formula for the magnetic field and considers dividing the wire into smaller segments to analyze the force. Some participants question the correctness of the calculations and the direction of the force, while others suggest checking the application of vector quantities in the equations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the calculations and the direction of the force. There is acknowledgment of potential errors in the original poster's approach, and some guidance has been offered regarding the correct application of vector notation and the physical interpretation of the results.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a possible sign error and the need for clarity in the direction of the force, indicating that assumptions about current direction and vector quantities are under scrutiny. The original poster admits to having made mistakes in plugging in numbers, which highlights the importance of accuracy in calculations.

Eitan Levy
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In a system as described in the picture, what would be the force that the infinite wire with a current of i exerts on the wire BC?
Relevant Equations
F=BILsinΘ
μThe magnetic field is supposed to be B=μ0i/(2πr). I think that the force would be aimed upwards.

Now I tried to divide the wire BC to infinite smaller wires where B is roughly constant in each one of them.

What I get is:
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However this is not correct when I plug the relevant numbers in it.

Where is my mistake?
 

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Your work looks basically correct.

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I think there's a sign error on the right-hand side. Is the force ##\vec{dF}## in the same direction as ##\vec B \times \vec{dl}##? I assume that you are using the usual convention that ##\vec{dl}## is in the same direcrion as the current in ##dl##.

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The left side is a vector quantity while the right side is a scalar quantity. So, you should include a unit vector on the right side to indicate the direction of the quantity on the left side.

Your final result looks correct for the magnitude of the force on BC. Were you also expected to give the direction of the force?
 
How do you know that you plugged in the numbers correctly? Show us the numbers and exactly what you did. Also, the force is ##d\vec F=Id\vec l \times \vec B##. You show the negative of this.
 
I indeed plugged the numbers wrong. Thanks for the heads up about the wrong direction of dF, I will be more careful.
 
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