Force Diagrams for a Combined Mass

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The discussion revolves around force diagrams related to a truck and its interaction with a trailer, focusing on the forces acting in the x-direction, including the engine force, friction, and the force between the truck and trailer.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the nature of the forces acting on the truck, questioning whether the engine's force should be considered an external force and how friction is defined in this context. There is also discussion about the relationship between the driving force and the combined opposing forces.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the definitions and roles of forces involved. There is an exploration of different interpretations regarding friction and its role in acceleration versus deceleration, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are considering the implications of the truck's design and the forces at play, including the potential effects of the trailer on the truck's acceleration. There is an emphasis on the need for clarity regarding the definitions of forces involved.

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Homework Statement
A truck that is towing a trailer is accelerating, draw the force diagram for the truck and the trailer
Relevant Equations
F = ma
I know that the ##F_{AonB} = -F_{BonA}##, but I just wanted to check something. If object A is the truck, then the x-direction should have a vector coming from the force of the engine driving the truck forward, a vector pointing in the negative direction for friction, and a vector in the negative direction for ##F_{BonA}##. But for the FBD of the truck, does the driving force vector need to be larger than the combined ##F_{BonA}## and ##F_k## or just larger than the friction force?
 
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rmiller70015 said:
a vector coming from the force of the engine driving the truck forward, a vector pointing in the negative direction for friction,
What is this force the engine exerts on the truck? Isn't the engine part of the truck?
And what friction force do you have in mind opposing that? Try to be precise.
rmiller70015 said:
for the FBD of the truck, does the driving force vector need to be larger than the combined ##F_{BonA}## and ##F_k## or just larger than the friction force?
Would the truck go faster without the trailer?
Remember, NET force = mass x acceleration.
 
haruspex said:
What is this force the engine exerts on the truck? Isn't the engine part of the truck?
This is used in many introductory books in physics, that is that they resemble the role of the engine as something that supplies an external force to the vehicle. Of course what happens in reality is that the engine provides angular acceleration to rotate the wheels and the real external force that gives translational acceleration to the vehicle is the friction between the rotating wheels and the ground.
 
Delta2 said:
This is used in many introductory books in physics, that is that they resemble the role of the engine as something that supplies an external force to the vehicle. Of course what happens in reality is that the engine provides angular acceleration to rotate the wheels and the real external force that gives translational acceleration to the vehicle is the friction between the rotating wheels and the ground.
Contrast that with what post #1 says about friction.
 
haruspex said:
Contrast that with what post #1 says about friction.
So you trying to say that friction is an accelerating force, not a decelerating one?
 
Delta2 said:
So you trying to say that friction is an accelerating force, not a decelerating one?
It depends what the OP meant by friction in post #1, hence the question in post #2..
 

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