Force exerted on walls of metal box

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a cubic metal box containing air, where the internal pressure changes due to a temperature increase. Participants are tasked with calculating the force exerted on the walls of the box based on the ideal gas law, while considering the implications of constant volume and varying temperature.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature using the ideal gas law (PV=nRT). There are attempts to derive the final pressure after heating and to calculate the force on the walls based on that pressure.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on focusing on pressure as a key variable while questioning the relevance of the initial conditions. Others express confusion regarding the calculations and seek clarification on how to properly apply the equations to find the correct values.

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There are discussions about the significance of the initial pressure and whether it can be neglected. Participants also mention potential issues with significant figures in their calculations, indicating a need for careful attention to detail in the numerical results.

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force exerted on walls of metal box...please help!

1. Homework Statement
A cubic metal box that has 20-cm-long edges contains air at a pressure of 1.0 atm and a temperature of 300 K. The box is sealed so that the enclosed volume remains constant, and it is heated to a temperature of 400 K. Find the force due to the internal air pressure on each wall of the box.




2. Homework Equations
PV=nRT




3. The Attempt at a Solution
F=\left|\Delta\vec{p}/\Delta<i>t</i>\right|
v=\sqrt{3RT/M}=\sqrt{3(8.314 J/molxK)(300K)/0.029kg/mol)}=507.957 m/s
Delta[/tex]\vec{p}/=mv^2=(9423.9987g)(507.957m/s)=4.787x10^6<br /> I just need delta t
 
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Forget about v. You don't need to count individual particles, PV=nRT will give you the pressure. Pressure is force per unit area.
 
How do I use all the information given in the problem to find that?
 
PV=nRT. How many variables in this equation change when the temperature is varied in your problem?
 
I think the pressure would change but the volume remains constant in the box. Is the pressure given in the problem negligible or should I be able to use it?
 
Only P and T change, right. But you are given the initial P is 1atm. What's the final P? You certainly shouldn't neglect the pressure change!
 
got it...thanks!
 


I'm having severe trouble on this one:

I know that P1(T1)/T2 = P2

so P2 x (length)^2 x (6 sides) = Internal Pressure Force.

But I'm not getting the right values. Even if I just do P2 x (Length^2) i don't get the right answer.
 


MeKnos said:
I'm having severe trouble on this one:

I know that P1(T1)/T2 = P2

so P2 x (length)^2 x (6 sides) = Internal Pressure Force.

But I'm not getting the right values. Even if I just do P2 x (Length^2) i don't get the right answer.

Show your whole solution. We can't really be expected to guess what you did wrong.
 
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101300 (400) / 300 = P2 = 135093

135093 Pa x (.20^2) x 6 = 32422 N

and the other way 135093 Pa (.2^2) = 5403 N

neither worked
 
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MeKnos said:
101300 (400) / 300 = P2 = 135093

135093 Pa x (.20^2) x 6 = 32422 N

and the other way 135093 Pa (.2^2) = 5403 N

neither worked

I don't know. I got 5403N as well. Significant figures issue??
 

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