Force exterted on a ferromagnetic object in a magnetic field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the forces exerted on a ferromagnetic object within a magnetic field, specifically in the context of a coilgun. Participants explore the nature of the magnetic field in solenoids, the implications of field homogeneity, and the factors determining the force on ferromagnetic projectiles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that while the magnetic field in an ideal solenoid is homogeneous, a ferromagnetic projectile is still attracted to the center of the coil, raising questions about the nature of the forces involved.
  • Another participant argues that the magnetic field is not homogeneous in a solenoid of finite length and with spacing between turns, suggesting that this affects the force experienced by the projectile.
  • A participant speculates that in an ideal solenoid, a ferromagnetic object would not feel any force, indicating a preference for shorter coil lengths to enhance the magnetic field's effectiveness.
  • A formula for the force on a ferromagnetic object is provided, involving the magnetization and the gradient of the magnetic field.
  • Another formula is introduced regarding the torque on magnetic materials, with a reference to a source for further details on magnetic moments and external magnetic fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the magnetic field in solenoids and its implications for the forces on ferromagnetic objects. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the ideal conditions under which these forces operate.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about solenoid characteristics, such as length and spacing, which affect the magnetic field's homogeneity and the resulting forces on ferromagnetic materials.

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Hello,

I'm building a coilgun and I'm confused. I understand that within a solenoid, the magnetic field is homogeneous. I've also read that a ferromagnetic projectile in a coilgun is sucked to the center of the coil. If the magnetic field is the same everywhere through the coil, what is special about the center of the coil? What is it that determines the force felt by the ferromagnetic projectile?

Thanks!
 
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The magnetic field is not homogeneous in a solenoid with finite length and spacing between the turns.
 
Hm, so in an ideal solenoid (of infinite length and with no spacing between the coils), a ferromagnetic object would feel no force, correct?

So I probably want to keep my coil length pretty short in order to avoid wasting energy creating a relatively homogeneous (and therefore relatively worthless) magnetic field, huh...

That makes some sense. Thanks! I'm still wondering: what exactly determines the force that is exerted on a ferromagnetic object by a magnetic field? Is there a simple formula that answers that question?
 
The formula is the following:
[tex] \vec{F} = \int_{V}{d\mathbf{x}' \, \left(\vec{M}(\mathbf{x}') \cdot \nabla' \right) \vec{B}(\mathbf{x}')}[/tex]
 
Can you quote a source for this equation please?
It would be good to have the terms defined for those needing help and guidance.
 
We do not discuss dangerous activities here on the PF. Thread closed.
 

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