Force fields, vectors, and work (mostly just confused by notation)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by a force field F = c(iy - jx) when moving a particle from the origin to the point 2i + 4j along two different paths. There is confusion regarding the notation, particularly the meaning of the constant c and the variables x and y. The participant concludes that the work done is 6c J for both paths, suggesting that the force field is conservative since the work is path-independent. However, it is advised to formally check the conditions for conservativeness, such as calculating the curl of the force field. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the mathematical properties of force fields in determining their characteristics.
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Homework Statement



Consider a force field F = c(iy - jx). From the force field calculate the work required to move a particle from the origin to the point 2i + 4j without acceleration along the two different paths:

  • From the origin to 2i then to 2i + 4j
  • From the origin to 4j then to 2i + 4j

Comment whether the force field is conservative or not

2. The attempt at a solution

I'm just slightly confused by the notation used in the question. I know that i and j are just the unit vectors in the x and y directions, but what is c in the force field expression? And if i and j are already noted in this expression, why are x and y used as well?

Assuming c is just some arbitrary constant, then is the work done simply 6c J for both paths? My logic for this is that for the first path the work done is 2c J along the x-axis and then 4c J along the y-axis (and the other way around for the second path).

Thus the force field is conservative (work done is independent of the path taken).

Is my logic correct, or am I missing something? Thank you :smile:
 
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There are conditions for the conservativeness of a force field, you should check one of these (formally) before concluding if it is conservative. If c is an arbitrary constant, x and y are probably variables, so F=F(x, y).
 
radou said:
There are conditions for the conservativeness of a force field, you should check one of these (formally) before concluding if it is conservative. If c is an arbitrary constant, x and y are probably variables, so F=F(x, y).

I don't understand - how can I check these conditions formally? Have I not already done so by showing that the work done is the same for both paths in the first part of the question? Note that I am asked to comment on whether or not the force field is conservative, which implies that there are no additional calculations required.
 
Well, then that's it - you have shown that the work is independent of the path taken.

You could also calculate ∇ x F, which equals 0 for a conservative force field, but since you're not asked to..
 
OK, thanks! :)
 
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