Force necessary to create enough friction.

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The problem involves two blocks, one resting on top of the other, with a focus on the forces required to prevent the top block from slipping. The subject area includes concepts of static friction and forces acting on objects in a gravitational field.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the force of friction, gravitational force, and the normal force. There is confusion regarding how to determine the necessary force to achieve the required normal force, especially considering the frictionless surface beneath the larger block.

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Some participants are exploring the implications of the frictionless plane and questioning the assumptions made about the forces involved. Hints have been offered regarding the acceleration of the blocks, indicating a potential direction for further exploration.

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There is a mention of specific values for mass and the coefficient of static friction, but the overall setup and conditions of the problem may require further clarification. The frictionless nature of the surface beneath the larger block is a critical aspect under discussion.

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Homework Statement


The two blocks (m = 18 kg and M = 101 kg) in the figure below are not attached to each other. The coefficient of static friction between the blocks is µs = 0.59, but the surface beneath the larger block is frictionless. What is the minimum magnitude of the horizontal force required to keep the smaller block from slipping down the larger block?


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My thought process involved me finding the force of friction that would be large enough to cancel out the the force due to gravity and hold the block in place. The friction force would have to have a magnitude of 176.4N (18kg*9.8m/s[tex]^{2}[/tex]) since the static friction coefficient is .59 I just solved: friction force = static coefficient * Normal force , for the normal force, which = 298.98 N. Now that I know what the normal force needs to be, I am confused on how to solve for the force necessary to produce that normal force.
 
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I think the minimum force would be the normal force.
 
I was thinking along those lines, but it is wrong. I think it has something to do with the frictionless plane.
 
Elmnt said:
My thought process involved me finding the force of friction that would be large enough to cancel out the the force due to gravity and hold the block in place. The friction force would have to have a magnitude of 176.4N (18kg*9.8m/s[tex]^{2}[/tex]) since the static friction coefficient is .59 I just solved: friction force = static coefficient * Normal force , for the normal force, which = 298.98 N. Now that I know what the normal force needs to be, I am confused on how to solve for the force necessary to produce that normal force.
So far, so good. Hint: What's the acceleration of the blocks?
 

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