Force of friction with multiple coefficient of frictions

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by friction on a uniform board transitioning between two surfaces with different coefficients of friction. The original poster is attempting to understand how to account for the varying frictional forces as the board moves across these surfaces.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the implications of the board being uniform and how this affects the normal force and friction. Questions arise regarding the addition of coefficients of friction and the distribution of normal force across the two surfaces.

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Participants are actively discussing the relationship between the normal force and the coefficients of friction. Some suggest that the average force of friction could be considered, while others clarify that the actual force depends on the position of the board relative to the surfaces.

Contextual Notes

The problem involves a board being pulled across a boundary between two surfaces, each with distinct coefficients of friction. The assumption of constant velocity is noted, and the discussion includes considerations of how the normal force is distributed as the board moves.

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I'm working on this problem for homework. Basically it's to find the work done by friction. Now for the work it would be the force of friction times the displacement. The problem is the board being pushed is going over 2 different surfaces, with 2 different values for friction, at the same time. Assuming velocity of the board is constant, what would be the force of friction? I thought it was the normal force times the sum of the coefficients (F_friction=N(mu_1+mu_2)) but apparently it's not.
 
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Interesting. Could you describe the problem exactly? (Why would you add the coefficients? Since any board can be thought of as two half-boards, your reasoning leads to a contradiction.)
 
A uniform board of length L and mass M lies near a boundary that separates two regions. In region 1, the coefficient of kinetic friction between the board and the surface is mu_1, and in region 2, the coefficient is mu_2.

Find the net work W done by friction in pulling the board directly from region 1 to region 2. Assume that the board moves at constant velocity.
Express the net work in terms of M, g, L, mu_1, and mu_2.

EDIT: The board is pulled over the boundary exactly the distance L.
 
Since the board is uniform, assume that the normal force per unit length is also uniform. Express the force that must be exerted on the board as a function of the position of the leading edge, which moves from x = 0 to x = L.
 
So basically because the board is uniform, the normal force is uniform. So if i were to divide the board into 2 separate boards then the value of the normal force would also be divided into 2? So since there are two different surfaces, it would be dividing the force by two eg. F_friction=Mg(mu_1+mu_2)/2?
 
ziptrickhead said:
So basically because the board is uniform, the normal force is uniform. So if i were to divide the board into 2 separate boards then the value of the normal force would also be divided into 2?
Right.
So since there are two different surfaces, it would be dividing the force by two eg. F_friction=Mg(mu_1+mu_2)/2?
That will be the average force of friction during its travel across the boundary. The actual force at any point depends on how much surface is on each side. For example, just as it begins to move all of the length (and thus all of the normal force) is on the mu_1 side, so F_friction = Mg(mu_1) at that point.
 
Ohhh, so since the board is basically on each surface the same amount of time, the force of friction would be the average of the force of friction for each separate surface:

F_f1=Mg(mu_1)
F_f2=Mg(mu_2)

=> (F_f1+F_f2)/2 = Mg(mu_1+mu_2)/2
 

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