Force of gravity of chain links problem

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The problem involves two chain links suspended by a string, where the mass of the top link is known and the mass of the bottom link is unknown. An applied force and acceleration are provided, prompting the need to find the mass of the second link and the force it exerts on the first link.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using Newton's second law (F = ma) to analyze the forces acting on the links. There is consideration of whether to treat the links as separate objects or as a combined system. Questions arise regarding the total forces acting on the system, including the applied force and gravitational force.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different approaches to set up the equations needed to solve for the unknown mass. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of F = ma for each link and the importance of clearly defining the object of interest. There is an ongoing discussion about the correct value of gravitational force and its implications for the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a discrepancy noted regarding the value of gravitational acceleration, with one participant suggesting a correction from 10 N to 9.81 m/s². The unknown mass of the second link adds complexity to the problem setup.

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Two chain links are connected together and are suspended by a string. The mass of the top link, link#1 is 8kg, while the mass of the second/bottom link #2 is unknown. If an applied force on the string attached to link #1 of 216N[up], and the links experience an acceleration of 2m/s^2 [up] find the mass of link #2 and the force that link#2 exerts on link1
The only given variables we have are
a= 2 m/s^2
Fa= 216N
g=10N

I'm guessing I have to isolate variables, but I am not sure what equations to use.
 
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Use F = ma where F is the total of the forces on the object.
You must be very clear in your mind what "the object" is. The conventional approach is to do an F = ma for each object and the force of one link on the other then will appear in both equations - you get a system of two equations to solve. Sometimes you can reduce the work by cleverly thinking of the two objects combined as one object and use just one F = ma.
 


Would the total of the forces on the object just be the applied force which is 216?
 


How about gravity?
 


oh right, so then F, being the total of all the forces would be...
216N + 10N
so F=226N
 


No, that 10 N is incorrect. In your first post,
g=10N
should read g = 9.81 m/s².
The force of gravity is mg, which you can't immediately find because you don't know m. Anyway, it is better to stick with symbols like m until you have solved the equation for the quantity you want to find.
 

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