Force of surface tension quandry?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of surface tension, particularly its forces and effects in different scenarios, such as a needle resting on water and a spherical drop of water. Participants explore various explanations and models to clarify their understanding of surface tension and its implications in fluid dynamics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding surface tension and seeks alternative explanations, mentioning the inward force of water molecules and pressure dynamics within a spherical shape.
  • Another participant likens surface tension to a stretched membrane, explaining that it acts tangentially along the fluid's surface and remains constant regardless of surface area changes.
  • A participant asks whether the direction of force per unit length would be horizontal in a hypothetical scenario without a needle, indicating a desire to understand the behavior of water molecules in isolation.
  • There is a question regarding whether the force of surface tension is related to hydrogen bonds between water molecules, highlighting a search for molecular-level explanations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express a lack of consensus on certain aspects of surface tension, particularly regarding the direction of forces in different scenarios and the molecular explanations behind these forces. Some participants find clarity in the explanations provided, while others continue to seek further understanding.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the specific nature of forces acting on water molecules and the role of hydrogen bonds in surface tension. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the concept.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals seeking to deepen their understanding of surface tension, including students and enthusiasts in physics and fluid dynamics.

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I have went through the thread and looked at the explanations for surface tension, and I have also went online to about 10 different websites, but I have not yet been able to figure out this concept. I think it is just my inability to understand and I need perhaps a different way of explaining.
I am trying to see how the force of surface tension is pointing
Here is what I know.

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Fw is the weight of the object, and Fs is parallel at the point where it contacts the object which is the force due to surface tension.

Also, the water wants to stay at it's most energetically favorable state. And a sphere will allow minimum surface area for a given volume.

Given all this information, I think the answer to my question is, 1. due to the net inward force, the outer water molecules, e.g. in space, are brought inward and into a sphere in which the outerwater molecules are more tightly bound in an inward fashion. Therefore, due to the fact that water is incompressible, there is a pressure inside the water molecule sphere and the pressure is also radiating outward.(I'm not sure if this pressure idea is right)

2. The energy wants to keep it at this nice mode, therefore if say an object like a needle sits on the water, the water wants to maintain the energy that it was at.

Please, if anyone can assist, I would be extremely thankful!Jonathan
 
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I like to think of surface tension as the same as that of a stretched membrane acting along the free surface. In the case of a spherical drop, it is like a balloon that is stretched around the drop. The surface tension is the force per unit length within the surface of the balloon. Unlike an ordinary balloon, however, no matter how much the surface area increases, the force per unit length doesn't change. In the case of the needle, the surface tension is the force per unit length along the line of contact between the fluid free surface and the needle. The surface tension always acts in the direction tangent to the free surface. Hope this helps.

Chet
 
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Hi Sir Chet,

From your explanation I feel very close to understanding. I just have two more questions: I was wondering if there was no needle, if the direction of force per unit length would be horizontal with the neighboring outer water molecules for the outer most water layer for ex. a ball of water in space. Lastly, is the force due to the hydrogen bonds of neighboring atom?

Thank you Chet!
 
jlyu002@ucr.e said:
Hi Sir Chet,

From your explanation I feel very close to understanding. I just have two more questions: I was wondering if there was no needle, if the direction of force per unit length would be horizontal with the neighboring outer water molecules for the outer most water layer for ex. a ball of water in space.
I don't understand this question, particularly the part about the ball.

On a flat horizontal free-surface, the surface tension acts horizontally within the surface.
Lastly, is the force due to the hydrogen bonds of neighboring atom?
I'm not knowledgeable about the molecular explanation. What I do know is how to model surface tension effects.

Chet
 
Ahh I think I get the satisfying gist of the concept! Thank you so much Chet for your benevolent help!
 

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