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Force on object located between two liquids

  1. Jan 15, 2012 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
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    A cube has side as shown. If the atmospheric pressure is p, find the force acting at the bottom of the cube!


    2. Relevant equations
    P = F / A
    P = ρ.g.h

    3. The attempt at a solution
    Fbottom = Pbottom . A
    = (p + Pressure by upper liquid + P by lower liquid) . 4/9 b^2
    = (p + Pressure by upper liquid + d.g.1/3 b). 4/9 b^2

    I don't understand how to find the pressure by upper liquid. I guess I have to use P = ρ.g.h but I don't know what the 'h' is.

    By definition, h is depth so we measure the depth from the surface, but we don't know how deep is the cube from the upper liquid surface.

    I think I'm missing something...
     
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  3. Jan 15, 2012 #2

    I'm not sure but cant we use buoyant force? viz = weight of liquid displaced ...
     
  4. Jan 18, 2012 #3
    I don't know. As far as I understand, bouyant force is the difference between the force acting on the bottom and the force acting on the top of the object; and the question is asking only about the force on the bottom.

    btw, what is viz?
     
  5. Jan 18, 2012 #4
    Do a Google search for "Object floating in two liquids". I think the key to this problem is to find the density of the object and you can do that if you know the density of the two fluids and the distance submerged in both liquids (which happens to be the same distance).

    Then Fboyobj*g*voldisplaced and you know the dimensions of the cube
     
  6. Jan 18, 2012 #5
    density of object = 1/2 D + 1/2 d


    I don't understand this :

    I think the density should the the density of liquid, not object.
    Fboy = ρliquid.g.Vimmersed; because therea re 2 liquids, I think there are 2 bouyant forces

    Fboy = D.g.4/27 b3 + d.g.4/27 b3

    I am not sure I found the bouyant correctly, and also how to find the force acting at the bottom part after finding bouyant force?

    Another question, how to take atmospheric pressure into account?

    Thanks
     
  7. Jan 18, 2012 #6
    My error, it should be ρLiq. I think your answer is correct. I think you can neglect the atmospheric pressure component because the density of air is so much less than the density of the fluids.
     
  8. Jan 18, 2012 #7
    One thing is troubling me ... what will be the direction of buoyant force ?

    They will depend on the densities of the liquids and block (maybe) ... Do we know that ?
     
  9. Jan 18, 2012 #8
    Sorry I didn't give the choices for this question.

    a. [tex]b^3 [(D+d)g + \frac{p}{b}][/tex]

    b. [tex]\frac{4}{27}b^3 [(3D + d)g + \frac{3p}{b}][/tex]

    c. [tex]b^3 [(D - d)g + \frac{3p}{b}][/tex]

    d. [tex]\frac{4}{27}b^3[(3D-d)g+\frac{3p}{b}][/tex]

    e. [tex]\frac{4}{27}b^3[(D+d)g+\frac{p}{b}][/tex]


    Good question cupid, taking the consideration that some of the choices contain negative sign. It means that we should know the direction of the bouyant force; which I don't know...:(

    Looking from the choices again, we should take atmospheric pressure into account.

    Another question, is bouyant force the same as force acting on the bottom of the cube?

    Thanks
     
  10. Jan 26, 2012 #9
    I think the direction of bouyant force is still upwards. Half of it is immersed in D and half is in d. Both will produce bouyant forces and both are upwards.

    But I still don't know how to find the pressure on the bottom...any help please?
     
  11. Jan 29, 2012 #10
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    The pipe carries water and its higher end is open to air. (a) If the speed of the water at
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  12. Jan 30, 2012 #11
    I don't understand the relation of your post with the question I posted. Are you asking an entirely new question?
     
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