Force Question – Einstein Gravitational Constant

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the representation of the Einstein gravitational constant (Κ) in terms of wave-particle ratios of force, specifically exploring thermal and particle ratios that include Planck temperature, Hawking temperature, and Planck mass. Participants are seeking to understand the implications of these ratios and whether they can be used to express the Einstein constant as an invariant ratio.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the Einstein gravitational constant can be expressed as wave-particle ratios of force, involving thermal ratios and particle ratios.
  • One participant questions the meaning of "wave-particle ratios of force" and requests clarification and references for these ratios.
  • Another participant mentions that the constants G, ħ, and c are part of the Planck units but does not clarify how G is derived from other postulates.
  • A participant expresses a willingness to define the thermal force ratio but emphasizes the need for references to support the discussion.
  • There is a call for references to validate the concept of "thermal force ratio," with a reminder of forum rules against discussing personal theories without supporting literature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the definitions and implications of the proposed ratios, and the need for references remains a point of contention.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of definitions for "thermal force ratio" and "wave-particle ratios of force," as well as the absence of references to support the claims made by participants.

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The Einstein gravitational constant (Κ) is usually written as; Κ = 8πG/c4

Can this constant be represented as wave-particle ratios of force?

One ratio is a thermal ratio, it includes Plank temperature and Hawking temperature.

The other ratio is a particle ratio including Plank mass.

Can the Einstein constant be represented as an invariant ratio of these two ratios?

Is there any reference in the literature to these ratios?

Thanks
 
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chemguy777 said:
Can this constant be represented as wave-particle ratios of force?

What does "wave-particle ratios of force" mean?

chemguy777 said:
One ratio is a thermal ratio, it includes Plank temperature and Hawking temperature.

The other ratio is a particle ratio including Plank mass.

Can you give any references for these ratios?

chemguy777 said:
Can the Einstein constant be represented as an invariant ratio of these two ratios?

I can't answer this since I don't know what ratios you are talking about.

chemguy777 said:
Is there any reference in the literature to these ratios?

I've never seen one; that's why I asked you for one above. You presumably got this idea from somewhere. Where?
 
Hello chemguy777. You are referring Planck unit. $$G,\hbar,c$$ are the constants chosen to be one in the unit. I do not know the value of $$G$$ is derived from other postulates.
 
Hi Sweetsprings thank you for your reply.

I was hoping to explain why the Einstein Gravitational constant may be represented as ratios (plural) of force, however thermal forces must be defined first.

If you are interested I shall be happy to post the definition of the thermal force ratio.

Regards

Chemguy
 
chemguy777 said:
If you are interested I shall be happy to post the definition of the thermal force ratio.

Before you do anything else, you need to give the references that I requested in post #2. PF rules prohibit discussion of personal theories. If you have a reference for "thermal force ratio", you're welcome to post that as well.
 

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