Force required to keep block from sliding down (check)

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The problem involves two blocks, one smaller and one larger, with a focus on the forces required to prevent the smaller block from sliding down the larger block. The scenario includes static friction between the blocks and a frictionless surface beneath the larger block.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the blocks, including gravitational force and frictional force. There is mention of using free body diagrams and Newton's laws to analyze the situation. Some participants express uncertainty about specific equations used in the calculations.

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There is a mix of agreement on the correctness of the original poster's result, with some participants suggesting alternative approaches and expressing preferences for different methods of analysis. The discussion appears to be productive, with participants providing feedback and clarifications.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the relationship between static friction and the forces involved, as well as the implications of using specific equations in the context of static friction.

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Homework Statement


The two blocks (with m=16kg and M=88kg) shown in Fig. 6-56 are not attached. The coefficient of static friction between the blocks is \mustat=0.38, but the surface beneath the larger block is frictionless. what is the minimum magnitude of the horizontal force \vec{F} required to keep the smaller block from slipping down the larger block?

Fig. 6-56 looks approximately like this.

...______ ________
...|...||...|
\vec{F}.|..m...||...|
...|_____||...M...|
.....|...|
.....|_______|
_________________________________
FRICTIONLESS GROUND

Homework Equations


\sum\vec{F}=m\vec{a}

\vec{F}fric=\mustat\vec{N}


The Attempt at a Solution


I denote \vec{F} from the problem text as \vec{F}A

I denote the force of block m and block M, \vec{F}mM

Likewise, the force of block M and block m is denoted \vec{F}Mm. I treat this as the "normal" force for the friction equation, but I'm not sure if this is correct.

Fgravm=mg=156.8 N

\vec{a}=\vec{F}A/104


\vec{F}mM=\vec{F}Mm=\frac{88}{104}\vec{F}A

\vec{F}fric=\mu\vec{F}Mm=.38*\frac{88}{104}\vec{F}A=.322\vec{F}A

To prevent downward motion \vec{F}fric must cancel out (i.e. be at least) \vec{F}gravm

\vec{F}fric=\vec{F}gravm
.322\vec{F}A=156.8N
\vec{F}A=487.7 N

Final answer 487.7 N

Thanks
 
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The result is correct. But in case of static friction, Ffric≤μFMm.
At the same time Ffric=mg.

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Looks good! Might want to round your answer to 490 N. I am not particularly thrilled about using F_mM = m/(m+M)F_A, although it is correct. Free body diagrams and the use of Newton's laws avoid having to use this equation.
 

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