Force Vector Problem: Find Magnitude of Force on Rider from Motorcycle

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a motorcycle and a rider accelerating up a ramp, with a focus on determining the magnitude of the force exerted on the rider by the motorcycle. The context includes forces acting on the rider due to gravity and the motorcycle's acceleration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the distinction between normal force and net force, with some questioning whether the normal force is the only force acting on the rider. There is an exploration of how to incorporate the acceleration of the motorcycle into the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants clarifying the problem requirements and exploring different interpretations of the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider additional forces beyond the normal force.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the rider's mass, the ramp's incline, and the acceleration, which may be relevant to the calculations. Participants express uncertainty about the correct approach to finding the total force acting on the rider.

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Homework Statement


A motorcycle and 67.0 kg rider accelerate at 3.2 m/s2 up a ramp inclined 10° above the horizontal.

What is the magnitude of the force on the rider from the motorcycle?


Homework Equations


I set my 90 degree axis so that my x-axis lined up with the acceleration up the ramp and my y-axis lined up with the normal force. So my y component would be
normal force-mass*gravity*cos 10° = mass*acceleration y


The Attempt at a Solution


I am thinking that the normal force is the force on the rider from the bike and with the way my axis is set up there will be no y acceleration so,

normal force= mass*gravity*cos10°

it gives and answer of 646.62 N but they say this answer is wrong. Am I missing something or misinterpreting?
 
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Elmnt said:
Am I missing something or misinterpreting?

Well, for some reason you are calculating only the normal force, when this is not what is being asked for.
 
I'm sorry I didn't post the first question asked. Which was:
(a) What is the magnitude of the net force on the rider?

Which I found to be 214.4 N.

I am missing something, What am I supposed to calculate? Isn't normal force the only force from the motorcycle onto the rider? My only other thought is including the acceleration caused by the bike.
 
Elmnt said:
Isn't normal force the only force from the motorcycle onto the rider?

No. If this were the case, why would the rider be accelerating up the ramp?
 
I wasn't paying attention to the force from the motorcycle the accelerates the rider up the ramp. With that now understood I can take the normal force that I had found and use it as a y component and then find the force that the bike applies to the rider going up the ramp and use that as the x component on the rider. Solving for these two components should give me my magnitude of force on the rider from the bike.
 

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