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The problem involves a skier descending a slope inclined at 4.7 degrees with an initial speed of 2.7 m/s and a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.11. The objective is to determine the distance the skier will slide before coming to rest.

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the skier, including the horizontal component of gravity and the force of kinetic friction. There is an exploration of the net force and its relation to acceleration. Some participants question the calculations for acceleration and suggest verifying the use of degrees versus radians.

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Participants are engaged in examining the calculations related to the skier's acceleration and the forces involved. There is acknowledgment of potential errors in the calculations, particularly regarding the sign and units used. Guidance has been offered to check the calculations for accuracy.

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There is a mention of a discrepancy between the calculated distance and the expected answer, indicating that assumptions or calculations may need to be revisited. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the problem setup and calculations.

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Homework Statement



A skier on a slope inclined at 4.7 degrees to the horizontal pushes on ski poles and starts down the slope. The initial speed is 2.7 m/s. The coefficient of kinetic friction between skis and snow is 0.11. Determine how far the skier will slide before coming to rest.


Homework Equations



uK= 0.11

v initial= 2.7 m/s
v final= 0.0 m/s

Fk = uK*Fnormal

F=ma

(v final)^2 = (v initial)^2 +2*a*d

The Attempt at a Solution



(Refer to system diagram for notations and stuff!)

So from what I can tell, the applied force is the horizontal component of gravity, Fgx, and the normal force is the vertical component of gravity, Fgy.

The horizontal component of gravity is:
Fgx= (sin4.7)(9.8)(m)

The force of kinetic friction would come out to be:
Fk=uK*Fgy
Fk=(0.11)(cos4.7)(9.8)(m)

The net force would be:
Fnet = Fapplied - Fkinetic
Fnet = Fgx - Fk
Fgx - Fk = m*a


So, solving, I get:

(sin4.7)(9.8)(m) - (0.11)(cos4.7)(9.8)(m) = m*a
a = 8.67 m/s^2


Now I can use acceleration to find the distance traveled by the skier:

(v final)^2 = (v initial)^2 +2*a*d
0 = (2.7)^2 +(2)(8.67)(d)
d= 0.42 m

The actual answer is 13m and I'm sure I've done something wrong :redface:.
Can someone guide me through this, please?
 

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shawli said:

Homework Statement



A skier on a slope inclined at 4.7 degrees to the horizontal pushes on ski poles and starts down the slope. The initial speed is 2.7 m/s. The coefficient of kinetic friction between skis and snow is 0.11. Determine how far the skier will slide before coming to rest.


Homework Equations



uK= 0.11

v initial= 2.7 m/s
v final= 0.0 m/s

Fk = uK*Fnormal

F=ma

(v final)^2 = (v initial)^2 +2*a*d

The Attempt at a Solution



(Refer to system diagram for notations and stuff!)

So from what I can tell, the applied force is the horizontal component of gravity, Fgx, and the normal force is the vertical component of gravity, Fgy.

The horizontal component of gravity is:
Fgx= (sin4.7)(9.8)(m)

The force of kinetic friction would come out to be:
Fk=uK*Fgy
Fk=(0.11)(cos4.7)(9.8)(m)

The net force would be:
Fnet = Fapplied - Fkinetic
Fnet = Fgx - Fk
Fgx - Fk = m*a


So, solving, I get:

(sin4.7)(9.8)(m) - (0.11)(cos4.7)(9.8)(m) = m*a
a = 8.67 m/s^2


Now I can use acceleration to find the distance traveled by the skier:

(v final)^2 = (v initial)^2 +2*a*d
0 = (2.7)^2 +(2)(8.67)(d)
d= 0.42 m

The actual answer is 13m and I'm sure I've done something wrong :redface:.
Can someone guide me through this, please?


CHECK YOUR CALCULATION FOR ACCELERATION. YOU SHOULD BE GETTING -0.27m/s^2.
 
shawli said:
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So, solving, I get:

(sin4.7)(9.8)(m) - (0.11)(cos4.7)(9.8)(m) = m*a
a = 8.67 m/s^2



You have some calculation error here. Be sure to do you calculations using degrees not radians.
 
Oooh, whoops. So my method was right all along?

Thank you !
 

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