Forces on spheres in a cylinder

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The discussion revolves around the forces acting on spheres positioned within a cylinder, exploring the interactions between the spheres and the cylinder walls. Participants are attempting to understand the mechanics involved, particularly through the use of free body diagrams.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are sharing their attempts to visualize the problem through free body diagrams, questioning how the cylinder influences the spheres. There are discussions about the validity of certain equations under specific conditions and the implications of the geometry involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the mechanics at play. Some have provided equations related to the forces but express uncertainty about how to derive them. There is an exploration of the conditions under which the equations apply, indicating a productive examination of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the equations provided are only valid for certain relationships between the radius of the cylinder and the spheres, specifically when R<2r, and they are questioning the implications of these constraints on their understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement
Two solid smooth (frictionless) spheres of radius r and mass m are
placed inside a cylinder of radius R. Find the force exerted by the cylinder
on each ball where they make contact with the cylinder (2 points on the
lower sphere, one on the upper) and the force each ball exerts on the
other. Express all forces in terms of m, R and r.
Relevant Equations
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I literally don't know where to start with this, i drew a free body diagram to try and understand where the cylinder was affecting them, but it didn't get me anywhere
 
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Also here is the solution, I don't know how to get to it.
Fbottom = 2mg, Fball-ball = mgr/[R(2r – R)] 1/2 , Fwall-ball = mg(R- r)/[R(2r – R)] 1/2
 
emmettfoner said:
I drew a free body diagram to try and understand where the cylinder was affecting them, but it didn't get me anywhere
Show us your diagram, also try to think of some equation you know that you think could be helpful.
 
Can you understand what is happening in this problem?
Those spheres act as two wedges jamming each other in between two walls by the action of their own weights.
They make those spheres, so there is no wedge angle to talk about, giving infinite possibilities of angles formed between both spheres.
The solution equations clearly show that they are valid only for R<2r, since beyond that, there is no more jamming effect.
Same applies for the case of R=r.
 
emmettfoner said:
Also here is the solution, I don't know how to get to it.
Fbottom = 2mg, Fball-ball = mgr/[R(2r – R)] 1/2 , Fwall-ball = mg(R- r)/[R(2r – R)] 1/2
The force on the bottom is easy to get since it is the only upward force that the cylinder exerts on the balls (and they are in equilibrium). From the geometry, what is the angle that the line between the centers of the two balls makes with the vertical?
 
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