Formal difference between electrostatics and magnetostatics

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The discussion revolves around the formal differences between electrostatics and magnetostatics, specifically focusing on the conditions under which charge density and current density are considered constant. Participants explore the implications of these conditions as presented in Griffiths' textbook, examining the continuity equation and its relevance to both fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Griffiths states electrostatics involves a fixed charge density, while magnetostatics also requires a zero change in charge density over time.
  • There is a question about whether Griffiths uses the continuity equation to derive the condition for magnetostatics.
  • One participant emphasizes that electrostatics and magnetostatics are idealizations that exist primarily in theoretical contexts.
  • Another participant points out that while it is theoretically possible to have a steady current with a changing charge density, this would lead to unphysical scenarios of charge accumulation.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the continuity equation, leading to the conclusion that charge density must remain constant in magnetostatics.
  • One participant proposes a summary of the conditions for electrostatics and magnetostatics, suggesting specific equations for each case.
  • A later reply expresses agreement with the proposed summary of conditions.

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While there is some agreement on the conditions for electrostatics and magnetostatics, the discussion contains unresolved questions regarding the application of the continuity equation and the implications of charge density changes. Multiple viewpoints are presented without a clear consensus on all aspects.

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Participants acknowledge the limitations of their discussion, particularly regarding the idealized nature of electrostatics and magnetostatics and the potential for unphysical scenarios if certain conditions are not met.

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In his book on EM, Griffiths states:

Formally, electro/magnetostatics is the régime $$\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t}=0, \hspace{0.25in} \frac{\partial \vec{\boldsymbol{J}}}{\partial t}=\boldsymbol{0}$$

He explains how in electrostatics charges do not move, or (more specifically), charge density does not change. It must remain fixed. I understand that. Second equation is regarding magnetostatics, which also makes sense. But then (few paragraphs down) he says:

More generally, since ##\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t}=0## in magnetostatics...

Wait. I thought the first of the two equation applies to electrostatics, and the second one to magnetostatics?

So my question essentially comes down to which one(s) of the above equations applies to electrostatics and which one(s) to magnetostatics. Thank you.
 
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Hypercube said:
But then (few paragraphs down) he says:

More generally, since ∂ρ∂t=0∂ρ∂t=0\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t}=0 in magnetostatics...
In the intervening few paragraphs does he use the continuity equation to derive this for the magnetostatic case also?
 
Dale said:
In the intervening few paragraphs does he use the continuity equation to derive this for the magnetostatic case also?

Hi Dale,

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

Intervening few paragraphs are a qualitative discussion with two main points:
1. Electrostatics and magnetostatics are idealisations: artificial worlds that "only exist in textbooks";
2. Moving point charge (on its own) cannot constitute a steady-state current.

Then he makes that second statement that I mentioned in OP:

When a steady current flows in a wire, its magnitude I must be the same all along the line; otherwise, charge would be piling up somewhere, and it wouldn't be a steady current. More generally, since ##\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t}=0## in magnetostatics, the continuity equation becomes $$\nabla \cdot \boldsymbol{J}=0$$

And that is the end of the chapter.
 
Hypercube said:
otherwise, charge would be piling up somewhere,
This is the key statement. It is in principle possible to have ##\partial J/\partial t = 0## with ##\partial \rho /\partial t \ne 0##. But with the continuity equation you would get that ##\rho## would steadily increase without bound over time. This “charge piling up” is usually rejected on physical grounds, so then we get ##\partial \rho/\partial t=0## for magnetostatics also.
 
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Dale said:
This is the key statement. It is in principle possible to have ##\partial J/\partial t = 0## with ##\partial \rho /\partial t \ne 0##. But with the continuity equation you would get that ##\rho## would steadily increase without bound over time. This “charge piling up” is usually rejected on physical grounds, so then we get ##\partial \rho/\partial t=0## For magnetistatics also.

I understand, I think. To summarise, would you agree with the following:

In electrostatics: $$\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t}=0, \hspace{0.25in} \boldsymbol{J}=\boldsymbol{0}, \hspace{0.25in} \frac{\partial \boldsymbol{J}}{\partial t}=\boldsymbol{0}$$

In magnetostatics: $$\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t}=0, \hspace{0.25in} \boldsymbol{J}=\boldsymbol{F}(x,y,z), \hspace{0.25in} \frac{\partial \boldsymbol{J}}{\partial t}=\boldsymbol{0}$$
 
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Yes. I would agree
 
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Excellent, thank you for clarifying this for me.
 
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