What % of Energy Needs to Be Carbon-Free to Stabilize at 450 ppm?

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The discussion revolves around the percentage of energy that needs to come from carbon-free sources to stabilize atmospheric carbon dioxide levels at 450 ppm by 2050. Participants reference a specific model to calculate energy requirements and explore the implications of different growth rates on these calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that 14.7 terawatts of energy are required to stabilize the atmosphere at 450 ppm in 2050, based on a model linked in the discussion.
  • Another participant questions the interpretation of the problem, suggesting that it may not require energy to stabilize atmospheric carbon content and asks for the full wording of the question.
  • A participant proposes a rephrased version of the problem, emphasizing the need to maintain projected global power consumption while stabilizing carbon levels.
  • One participant calculates a different requirement of 7.144 terawatts, attributing the discrepancy to potentially different growth rates used in the model.
  • There is a suggestion that the total power can be determined from a graph that is described as mislabelled.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the energy requirements and the interpretation of the problem. There is no consensus on the correct amount of carbon-free energy needed or the assumptions underlying the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential differences in growth rates used in calculations, which may affect the energy requirements. There is also mention of a graph that may not be accurately labelled, which could lead to confusion in determining total energy production.

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Homework Statement


Today, globally, only 2% of our energy comes from carbon-free energy sources. If we continue economic and population growth in a business-as-usual scenario, what % of our energy needs to come from carbon-free sources if we want to stabilize our atmosphere at 450 ppm? [Use your answer from Q4, to calculate the %].
Answer from Q4= 14.7 tetrawatts are required to stabilize at 450ppm in 2050

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The Attempt at a Solution


I really think that I have to find the amount of energy that carbon-free sources have in average.
I am using this model http://forecast.uchicago.edu/kaya.html
 
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TheMathNoob said:
Answer from Q4= 14.7 tetrawatts are required to stabilize at 450ppm in 2050

What is Q4?
 
billy_joule said:
What is Q4?
sorry question 4. Question 4 asked me to find the required energy to stabilize the atmosphere at 450ppm in 2050. I did that with the model of the link in the description.
 
TheMathNoob said:
sorry question 4. Question 4 asked me to find the required energy to stabilize the atmosphere at 450ppm in 2050. I did that with the model of the link in the description.

It doesn't require energy to stabilize atmospheric C content (and your answer isn't energy either..)
Can you post the question word for word? It's hard to offer assistance without the full story.
 
billy_joule said:
It doesn't require energy to stabilize atmospheric C content (and your answer isn't energy either..)
Can you post the question word for word? It's hard to offer assistance without the full story.
That's the whole question. I calculated the 14.7 tetrawatts by using the model in the description of the problem. If you set the model in the mode carbon-free energy needed , you will realize that in 2050, 14.7 tetrawatts of energy are required to stabilize the atmosphere at 450ppm.
 
TheMathNoob said:
That's the whole question. I calculated the 14.7 tetrawatts by using the model in the description of the problem. If you set the model in the mode carbon-free energy needed , you will realize that in 2050, 14.7 tetrawatts of energy are required to stabilize the atmosphere at 450ppm.
14.7 Terawatts of power.
The problem would be more accurately stated as something like:
'To maintain projected global power consumption and also stabilize C at 450ppm how much carbon free power must be produced in 2050?'

Anyway, I get 7.144 Terawatts, which may be because we are using different growth rates, I left them at the default, all zero.

Back to your original question; To find what percent of C free power is of total power; You know C free power already and the total power can be found on the (mislabelled) total energy production graph.
 
billy_joule said:
14.7 Terawatts of power.
The problem would be more accurately stated as something like:
'To maintain projected global power consumption and also stabilize C at 450ppm how much carbon free power must be produced in 2050?'

Anyway, I get 7.144 Terawatts, which may be because we are using different growth rates, I left them at the default, all zero.

Back to your original question; To find what percent of C free power is of total power; You know C free power already and the total power can be found on the (mislabelled) total energy production graph.
Thanks!
 

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