Four bodies connected through a sheave

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The problem involves a system of four bodies with masses m1, m2, m3, and m4 connected by a string through a sheave, with the system moving to the right. The original poster is tasked with applying Newton's second law to analyze the motion of these objects while ignoring friction.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive an equation for acceleration by summing forces but questions the validity of their approach when comparing it to the book's equation. Some participants suggest examining the assumption that tension is uniform throughout the string.

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Participants are exploring the implications of varying tension in different sections of the string due to the presence of masses. There is a recognition that the tension may not be the same across all segments, prompting further inquiry into how this affects the application of Newton's laws.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions regarding tension in the string, particularly in relation to the masses attached to it. The original poster's confusion stems from the differences in tension between the various segments of the string.

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Homework Statement


Three bodies with masses m1 m2 and m3 connected with a string through a sheave with a body with mass m4. The system is moving right. Write the second Newton law for the movement of the objects. Ignore friction.

Homework Equations


2nd law for bodies:
m4a= m4g-T(the force of stretching the string)
m1a= T
m2a= T
m3a= T

The Attempt at a Solution


By summing up the last three equation I got:
a(m1+m2+m3)=3T but it is apparently incorrect. The book equation is:
a(m1+m2+m3)=T, how? Where am I wrong at?
 

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You want to ask yourself if T is really the same in the various sections.
 
Could you elaborate please?
 
Chemist@ said:
Could you elaborate please?

I believe what BvU is alluding to is that you are assuming that all sections of the string have the same tension.

Chemist@ said:

Homework Equations


2nd law for bodies:
m4a= m4g-T(the force of stretching the string)
m1a= T
m2a= T
m3a= T

While that is often true for a massless string when ignoring friction, it doesn't apply here because the string has masses attached to it. In other words, the tension of the string between bodies m1 and m2 is a different value than the tension between bodies m2 and m3 and so on.

You can still exploit the idea of tension though, just pick one of the tensions. The books seems to have picked the tension in the string at rightmost side, that passes through the sheave. Don't forget that the three leftmost bodies move together as a group.
 
If the left block feels tension T1 and is accelerated with acceleration T1/m1, the next block feels tension T1 working to the left. If that block is also accelerated with acceleration a, the net force on block 2 must be m2a. So it feels a Tension T2 to the right for which m2a = T2-T1.

et cetera
 
I see. When they all add up I get T3. Thank you very much.
 

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