Fourier transform of church function

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The discussion revolves around determining the Fourier transform of a "church" function, which is referenced through a graphic equation. Participants are exploring the mathematical properties and transformations related to this function, particularly focusing on its derivative and the implications for Fourier analysis.

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  • Participants are discussing the derivative of the church function and its implications for the Fourier transform. There is consideration of using graphical representations and properties of shapes like triangles and rectangles in the analysis. Questions about the correctness of proposed transformations and the use of integration techniques are also raised.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's approaches and suggesting alternative methods for tackling the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of Wolfram Alpha for integration, and there is an exploration of convolution properties related to the shapes involved.

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Participants are working under the constraints of an exam question, which may limit the information available for solving the problem. There is a focus on ensuring the correctness of mathematical transformations and assumptions about the shapes being analyzed.

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Fourier transform of "church" function

This is an old examn question that I'm trying to solve. There is a solution, but I'm having a hard time getting it since there is only some kind of graphic equation with no explanation. To only test in the solution is "Derivate!"

Homework Statement


Determine the Fourier transform of the following modern church function
http://www.apspektakel.com/bilder/churchf.svg

Homework Equations


[tex] F(s) = \int ^\infty _{-\infty} f(x) e ^ {-i2\pi xs} dx[/tex]
[tex] i2\pi sF(s) = \int ^\infty _{-\infty} f'(x) e ^ {-i2\pi xs} dx[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution


This is what I think the derivative of the church function would be. I coloured the impulses red, so that their origins are visible. Is the derivative correct?
http://www.apspektakel.com/bilder/churchfd.svg
So, the next step, would it be adding the transform of the first impulse to the transform of the first square, to the second impulse and so on?
I mean would the correct way be something like:

[tex] i2\pi sF(s) = 2 + \text{sinc}_{something} - 2 \cdots [/tex]
 
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Your derivative looks right. Your proposed solution also looks to be on the right track, although the Fourier transform of the second impulse isn't simply -2. There is also a phase component.

Another way to do this without derivatives and impulse functions is to express the function as a sum of various rectangles and triangles. Each rectangle's Fourier transform is a sinc function with some scale factors and a phase factor. How about the triangles?
 


Well, the intergral of a right triangle is just the integral under a straight line function, f(x) = kx+m.

If the left bottom corner of the triangle is a, the bottom right is b and the triangle sits on the positive x-axis: f(x) = kx-ka (since x=a when f(x)=0).
I transform this to
[tex] F(s) = \frac{k}{i2\pi s} \left ( e^{-i2\pi bs} (1+a-b) -e^{-i2\pi as} \right ) [/tex]
Anyone recognise this to be true? I didn't find this transform tabulated anywhere, so I need to be sure it's correct...
 


I got something more complicated than that, although it's possible that it simplifies to your answer.

It's easier if you define the triangle to sit between x = 0 and x = c. Then if you need to shift or scale it, you can use the standard Fourier transform properties.

In this case, you will have

[tex]\int_{0}^{c} kx e^{-i2\pi s x} dx[/tex]

You can use integration by parts. Wolfram Alpha gives

[tex]\frac{1}{4 \pi^2 s^2} [2\pi i c s k e^{-i2 \pi c s} - k(1 - e^{-i2\pi c s})][/tex]

which can be further simplified using the typical tricks, e.g.,

[tex]1 - e^{-ix} = e^{-ix/2}(e^{ix/2} - e^{-ix/2}) = 2ie^{-ix/2} \sin(x/2)[/tex]
 


What syntax did you use to get wolfram alpha to produce that?
 


Here is what I typed:

integrate (k*x*e^(-i*2*pi*s*x) from x = 0 to x = c
 


Cool! I'll start using wolfram alpha :) Thanks for the help.
 


hadoque said:
Cool! I'll start using wolfram alpha :) Thanks for the help.

For the function f(x) = (x-a) if a < x < b and f(x) = 0 elsewhere, Maple 14 gets:

f1:=(x-a)*Heaviside(x-a)*Heaviside(b-x);
f1 := (x - a) Heaviside(x - a) Heaviside(b - x)

J2:=fourier(f1,x,w) assuming b>a;

J2:= I*exp(-I b w) (-w a - I + b w)/w^2 - exp(-I w a)/w^2

where I = sqrt(-1).

RGV
 


marcusl said:
I might point out that this is easier than you are making it. Write the triangle as a convolution of two rectangles
/\ = rect * rect

Use the convolution theorem to find the transform, and the answer falls right out.

That's true for a triangle shaped like this: /\, but not for one shaped like this /|. The latter type is what appears in this problem.
 
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My mistake, I didn't see the shape listed anywhere. I've deleted my earlier post.
 

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