Fredholm integral equation with separable kernel

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The discussion revolves around solving a Fredholm integral equation with a separable kernel, specifically the equation φ(x) - 4∫sin²(x)φ(t)dt = 2x - π, with integration limits from 0 to π/2. Participants are exploring methods to approach the solution and clarifying the structure of the equation.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the integral equation and expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with finding a solution.
  • Another participant questions whether the equation can be reformulated to highlight a potential hidden dependence on variables, suggesting a specific form of the equation.
  • A third participant reiterates the need for verification of the equation's form and expresses a desire for assistance in solving it.
  • One participant notes that knowing the value of the integral of φ would simplify the problem to an algebraic one and suggests integrating both sides of the equation.
  • Another participant acknowledges the book provides a solution but admits to confusion about the steps to take.
  • Subsequent replies inquire whether the suggested integration has been attempted and emphasize the importance of performing the computation as part of the problem-solving process.
  • One participant outlines the integration process explicitly, indicating that the integral of φ(t) is a constant and does not depend on x.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to integrate the equation to progress toward a solution, but there is no consensus on the specific steps or methods to take, and uncertainty remains about how to proceed effectively.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the integral of φ and its dependence on the variables involved, which have not been fully resolved in the discussion.

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Hi at all
On my math methods book, i came across the following Fredholm integ eq with separable ker:

1) φ(x)-4∫sin^2xφ(t)dt = 2x-pi
With integral ends(0,pi/2)
I do not know how to proceed, for the solution...
 
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Is this an assigned problem?

Could you verify that the equation you are working with can be written as follows: $$\phi(x)-4\sin^2(x)\left(\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\phi(t) dt\right)=2x-\pi.$$ I want to be sure I'm not missing any hidden dependence on the variables involved.
 
Haborix said:
Is this an assigned problem?

Could you verify that the equation you are working with can be written as follows: $$\phi(x)-4\sin^2(x)\left(\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\phi(t) dt\right)=2x-\pi.$$ I want to be sure I'm not missing any hidden dependence on the variables involved.
Yes, If you can kindly help me understand how to proceed to solve it ! :bow:
 
It's clear that if we knew the value of ##\int\phi dt##, then this would just be an algebra problem. Think about what integrating both sides of the equation from ##0## to ##\pi/2## would allow you to do.
 
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Sorry, the book It gives me the solution, but I do not know how to proceed...:olduhh:
 
Did you try integrating the equation as I suggested?
 
Sorry, I've been absent for a few days.. anyway yes, but how?
 
I'm going to write out explicitly what I think you should compute, but I think you should be the one to perform the computation.

$$
\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\left(\phi(x)-4\sin^2(x)\left(\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\phi(t) dt\right)\right)dx=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\left(2x-\pi\right)dx
$$

Remember that ##\int \phi(t) dt## is just a number; it does not depend on ##x##.
 

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