Free body diagram for each vehicle

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a jeep and a trailer, where the jeep is attempting to pull the trailer back up from a cliff. The scenario includes specific masses and forces, and participants are tasked with creating free body diagrams for both vehicles while ignoring friction.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the importance of including tension in the cable in their free body diagrams and the application of Newton's 2nd law. There are attempts to derive equations based on the forces acting on both the jeep and the trailer, with some questioning the validity of combining horizontal and vertical forces directly.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations and reached a numerical result, while others have pointed out potential flaws in the reasoning and encouraged better diagramming practices. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations and approaches without a clear consensus on the best method.

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Participants are operating under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is an emphasis on drawing accurate free body diagrams as part of the problem-solving process.

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Homework Statement


In the movie "Jurassic Park 2", a jeep is struggling to pull a trailer back up from over a cliff. The jeep is connected to the trailer by a cable. The jeep in on level ground and the trailer hangs from the cable over the of the cliff. The jeep has a mass of 850 kg and pulls with a force of 21,000 N. The trailer has a mass of 2150 kg. Ignore friction


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I drew the picture and made a free body diagram. The directions told me to make a free body diagram for each vehicle. It is attached.
Tried

a = m_{b}g/m_{a} + m_{b}

The force that jeep is pulling with a is throwing me off. The answer to the problem is -0.023 m/s^{2} I just want to know the steps to get to the answer.
 

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Your diagrams neglect the tension in the cable, which exerts a force on both vehicles.

You will apply Newton's 2nd law to each object, realizing that they are connected and thus must have the same magnitude of acceleration. You'll get two equations, which you can solve together to get the acceleration.
 
got it.

Ftrailer = 2150kg(-9.8m/s^2)
Ftrailer = 21,070N

Fresultant = FJeep + Ftrailer
Fresultant = 21,000N -21070N
Rresultant = -70N

-F=ma
-70 N = (850kg + 2150kg)a

a=0.023 m/s^2
 
suxatphysix said:
got it.

Ftrailer = 2150kg(-9.8m/s^2)
Ftrailer = 21,070N

Fresultant = FJeep + Ftrailer
Fresultant = 21,000N -21070N
Rresultant = -70N

-F=ma
-70 N = (850kg + 2150kg)a

a=0.023 m/s^2
You get the right answer doing it this way, but your method is shaky. You take a horizontal force of the jeep and add it to the vertical weight of the trailer and end up with a resultant by simple addition? You should instead practice drawing good Free Body Diagrams of each object, as Doc Al suggested. Otherwise, sooner or later you're going to get burnt doing it this way.
 

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