Free energy question involving Kp and deltaG

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the calculation of reaction enthalpy and Gibbs free energy for a chemical reaction, as well as the equilibrium constant Kp. Participants are exploring the appropriate values to use for deltaG in the context of the given reaction.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculated the Gibbs reaction energy to be -1815 KJ and seeks clarification on which deltaG value to use for calculating Kp.
  • Another participant suggests using the standard Gibbs free energy change calculated from the formula ∑nΔGoproducts - ΣmΔGoreactants.
  • A further clarification emphasizes that the coefficients n and m correspond to the stoichiometric coefficients of the reactants and products.
  • A later reply indicates that the participant should use the ΔG0 calculated in part a) for the Kp equation, noting a potential error in terminology regarding the use of ΔG versus ΔG0.
  • There is a mention of needing standard heats of formation to calculate the standard reaction enthalpy, but it is unclear if these values were provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method for calculating deltaG for Kp but there is some uncertainty regarding the specific values and terminology to use. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the standard heats of formation and whether they were provided.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of provided standard heats of formation and potential discrepancies in the terminology used for Gibbs free energy.

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Homework Statement



The following reaction takes place at standard conditions

4NH3(g)+6NO(g)----->5N2(g)+6H20

A)calculate reaction enthalpy and Gibbs reaction energy

B)Calculate Kp


Homework Equations



the table gives the following values for deltaG0f[X]
NH3(g)=-16.5 Kj/mol
NO(g)=87.6 KJ/mol
H20(g)=-228.6 KJ/mol

ln(Kp)=-deltaG/(RT)


The Attempt at a Solution



I finished part a) and found gibbs reaction energy to be -1815 KJ

For part b) i am unsure of what to enter for deltaG in the equation ln(Kp)=-deltaG/(RT). Do I use the reaction energy calculated from part a), deltaG for NH3, NO, or H20? Any help is appreciated, thanks!
 
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you would use the standard DG found by this formula:
∑nΔGoproducts - ΣmΔGoreactants
 
-the n and m being the coefficients for each molecule
 
hahaha158 said:

Homework Statement



The following reaction takes place at standard conditions

4NH3(g)+6NO(g)----->5N2(g)+6H20

A)calculate reaction enthalpy and Gibbs reaction energy

B)Calculate Kp

Homework Equations



the table gives the following values for deltaG0f[X]
NH3(g)=-16.5 Kj/mol
NO(g)=87.6 KJ/mol
H20(g)=-228.6 KJ/mol

ln(Kp)=-deltaG/(RT)

The Attempt at a Solution



I finished part a) and found gibbs reaction energy to be -1815 KJ

For part b) i am unsure of what to enter for deltaG in the equation ln(Kp)=-deltaG/(RT). Do I use the reaction energy calculated from part a), deltaG for NH3, NO, or H20? Any help is appreciated, thanks!
You use the ΔG0 that you calculated in part a (I didn't check your arithmetic). (Also, that should not be a ΔG in the equation; it should be ΔG0). To get the standard reaction enthalpy, you need to know the standard heats of formation. Did they give you these?

Chet
 

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