Free fall from rest at a particular radius to the central singularity

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The discussion focuses on deriving the equation for proper time for an observer in free fall towards a central singularity using Eddington-Finkelstein coordinates in the Schwarzschild metric. The user is attempting to solve for the relationship between coordinate time and proper time, specifically needing to find the value of dt/dτ. It is suggested that the equations of motion for a geodesic can be derived using a variational principle, which can help in obtaining the necessary expression for dt/dτ. The user expresses frustration with being stuck in the calculations but is guided towards utilizing existing resources for further clarification. The conversation highlights the complexities of general relativity and the mathematical challenges involved in such problems.
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Homework Statement
Proper time from rest at a particular radius to the central singularity
Relevant Equations
Eddington–Finkelstein coordinates
##ds^2 = - (1-\frac{2M}{r}) dt^2 + 2dtdr +r^2 d\Omega^2##
I have this problem:
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First of all, I would like to have an equation for the proper time.
I was using the Eddington-Finkelstein coordinates in the Schwarzschild metric : $$ds^2 = - (1-\frac{2M}{r}) dt^2 + 2dtdr +r^2 d\Omega^2$$
Knowing that the observer falls radially, thus ##d\phi = d\theta = 0##.

Also, ##ds^2 = -d\tau^2 ## and after a little algebra we get:
$$1 = (1-\frac{2M}{r}) (\frac{dt}{d\tau})^2 - 2 \frac{dt dr}{d\tau^2}$$

I'm pretty stuck here. I found here and there that the equation for the proper time in this situation should be ##\tau = \frac{\pi r_0^{3/2}}{2\sqrt{2M}}##.

I guess I need to find the value for ##\frac{dt}{d\tau}##.
 
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happyparticle said:
I was using the Eddington-Finkelstein coordinates in the Schwarzschild metric : $$ds^2 = - (1-\frac{2M}{r}) dt^2 + 2dtdr +r^2 d\Omega^2$$
Knowing that the observer falls radially, thus ##d\phi = d\theta = 0##.

Also, ##ds^2 = -d\tau^2 ## and after a little algebra we get:
$$1 = (1-\frac{2M}{r}) (\frac{dt}{d\tau})^2 - 2 \frac{dt dr}{d\tau^2}$$
OK

happyparticle said:
I'm pretty stuck here.

I guess I need to find the value for ##\frac{dt}{d\tau}##.
You can get an expression for ##\frac{dt}{d\tau}## by noting that free fall is motion along a geodesic. The equations of motion for a geodesic can be found using a variational principle. For example, see the first page of these notes. Here, they are working in Schwarzschild coordinates and arrive at the bottom of the page with an expression for ##\dot t \equiv \dfrac {dt}{d \tau}##. You can apply the same method when using Eddington-Finkelstein coordinates.
 
I want to find the solution to the integral ##\theta = \int_0^{\theta}\frac{du}{\sqrt{(c-u^2 +2u^3)}}## I can see that ##\frac{d^2u}{d\theta^2} = A +Bu+Cu^2## is a Weierstrass elliptic function, which can be generated from ##\Large(\normalsize\frac{du}{d\theta}\Large)\normalsize^2 = c-u^2 +2u^3## (A = 0, B=-1, C=3) So does this make my integral an elliptic integral? I haven't been able to find a table of integrals anywhere which contains an integral of this form so I'm a bit stuck. TerryW

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