Frequency of the polarization of light

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the frequency of the electrical field fluctuations of a photon and its wavelength, particularly in the context of light polarization. Participants explore concepts related to electromagnetic radiation, including the definitions of wavelength and frequency, and their implications for understanding light behavior in various scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the fluctuation frequency of the electrical field matches the wavelength of the photon, particularly in the context of longer wavelengths like microwaves.
  • Another participant clarifies that the wavelength represents the distance light travels in one cycle of its changing electric and magnetic fields, while frequency indicates how many cycles occur per second.
  • A third participant confirms that one cycle of the oscillating magnetic or electric field corresponds to one wavelength, stating that frequency is the inverse of wavelength.
  • It is noted that the product of wavelength and frequency equals the speed of light, suggesting a fundamental relationship between these quantities.
  • One participant appreciates the visual representations found in external resources, discussing how they aid in understanding phenomena like Newton's rings and the probability of reflection based on photon travel distance.
  • A concern is raised about whether the use of certain animations implies a specific location of the photon at a given time, questioning if this contradicts the uncertainty principle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of wavelength and frequency, as well as their relationship to the speed of light. However, there is ongoing debate regarding the implications of these concepts for understanding photon behavior and the potential conflicts with the uncertainty principle.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the nature of light and its representation in animations remain unaddressed, particularly concerning the implications of defining a photon's location in relation to the uncertainty principle.

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"Frequency" of the polarization of light

You often see the polarization of light represented this way:
polarized_light.jpg


Unfortunately, the axis is seldom labeled in this type of animation. I assume the horizontal axis is meant to represent space or time. The question I have is "Does the fluctuation frequency of the electrical field match the wave length of the photon?"

To be a little clearer, if you have a photon with quite a long wavelenth (say microwave at 21cm), the wavelength represents the changing probability of things like the photon being reflected when it hits a surface. I assume that the magnetic/electrical fluctuation represented by this picture happens much faster over a much shorter distance then 21cm.

Is that assumption correct, or does the electrical/magnetic fluctuation rate of the photon match its frequency?
 
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To my knowledge the wavelength is the distance that the light travels in 1 cycle of its changing electric and magnetic fields while the frequency is how many times it switches per second.
 


Wavelength in free space (meters per cycle) * frequency (Hz : cycles per second) = c (speed of light in meters per second)
 


I also like the graphics on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarizer

So there is nothing wrong with labeling a 532nm photon moving though space scaled in nanometers like this:
polarized_light1.jpg


And the photon varies in time scaled by zeptoseconds like this:
polarized_light2.jpg


This certainly makes things like Newtons rings easier to understand. It also makes it pretty obvious why the probability of reflection off a surface varies depending on how far the photon travels to get to this surface. The only thing I don't like about these animiations is the use of the second axis for the amplitude. You can model reflection in one dimension this way, but you cannot model refraction as the second and third axis are already in use.

Finally, does this not specifically tie down the location of the photon to a particular point in space at a particular time? Is this a violation of the uncertainty principle?
 

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