Friction between two blocks on a table

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of two blocks on a table, focusing on the forces acting between them, particularly static and kinetic friction, and the implications of these forces in different scenarios.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the forces at play when two blocks are at rest and when one block begins to slip. Questions are raised about the nature of the forces exerted between the blocks and the role of friction in these scenarios.

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Some participants provide affirmations and clarifications regarding the forces involved, particularly in relation to static and kinetic friction. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these forces, with participants questioning the direction of friction and the forces counteracting it.

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Participants reference diagrams to support their reasoning, indicating a reliance on visual aids to clarify the forces discussed. There is mention of potential misunderstandings regarding the free body diagrams and the forces acting on each block.

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I have a question for two scenarios (see the diagram attached):

1) When the two blocks on the table are at rest, the static friction the table exerts on the bottom block is counteracting the tension in the rope, resulting in a net force of zero. Is there any static force being exerted by the bottom block on the top block? I don't think there should be any, since there is no horizontal force acting on the top block.

2) Suppose M was massive enough to start descending, overcoming the static friction threshold of the bottom block. Also suppose that the top block starts to slip away from the bottom block. Which way does the kinetic force the bottom block exerts on the top block point? And what's exerting the horizontal force it's counteracting?

Thanks in advance.
 

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burhan619 said:
I have a question for two scenarios (see the diagram attached):

1) When the two blocks on the table are at rest, the static friction the table exerts on the bottom block is counteracting the tension in the rope, resulting in a net force of zero. Is there any static force being exerted by the bottom block on the top block? I don't think there should be any, since there is no horizontal force acting on the top block.
You are correct.

2) Suppose M was massive enough to start descending, overcoming the static friction threshold of the bottom block. Also suppose that the top block starts to slip away from the bottom block. Which way does the kinetic force the bottom block exerts on the top block point?
Friction acts in a direction to oppose slipping. Which way would that be?
And what's exerting the horizontal force it's counteracting?
What do you mean? This is kinetic friction.
 
Is the free body diagram I've attached right?
 

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here's a re-upload if that one's hard to see
 

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burhan619 said:
Is the free body diagram I've attached right?
I guess the color coding is to tell which body the force acts on.

The forces on m1 look OK.

On m2, you forgot the kinetic friction from m1 and the normal force from m1. Otherwise, looks good.
 
That makes sense. Thanks.
 

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