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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two blocks sliding down an incline with friction. The problem requires finding the acceleration of the blocks and the tension in the string connecting them, while considering their different masses and coefficients of friction.

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  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's second law to each block, considering the forces acting on them, including gravitational, normal, frictional, and tension forces. There is an exploration of how to set up the equations based on free body diagrams and whether it is appropriate to combine these equations to eliminate tension.

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Participants have shared their approaches to setting up the problem and have begun to derive equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding how to calculate tension once acceleration is known, but there is no explicit consensus on the final steps or methods to be used.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the impact of different coefficients of friction on the two blocks and how this affects their acceleration and tension in the string.

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1.Here is the diagram of the problem.
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Two blocks attached by a string (see figure) slide down a 16° incline. Block 1 has mass m1 = 0.79 kg and block 2 has mass m2 = 0.27 kg. In addition, the kinetic coefficients of friction between the blocks and the incline are 0.30 for block 1 and 0.20 for block 2.
(a) Find the magnitude of the acceleration of the blocks.

(b) Find the tension in the string.

Equation:
Fk = Uk + FN
F = MA

(for individual mass)
Fn = mg cos theta
Fg = mg
Fparallel = mg sin theta



My trouble is how to start this. If this was just 1 mass, I would have no trouble but I get thrown off/confuse once they add a string and another mass.

Can someone suggest on how I start this?
I was thinking that M1 has the same Acc. as M2 but then I saw that they each have different kinetic coefficients. Can someone suggest on how to start this problem?
 
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I good place to start would be to write down the sum of the forces acting on each block and then apply Newton's II law to each block individually.
 
I drew a free body diagrams for each block.

each mass has the same forces acting on them which is
Normal Force
Force of gravity
Force of friction
Tension Force

This is what I've been doing.
For M1 I have as the sum of the forces
(Force parallel)M1*g sin Theta + Tension Force - Friction Force = M1 * A

For M2 I have as the sum of the forces
(Force parallel)M2*g sin Theta - Tension Force - Friction Force = M2 * A

Is this correct? If so can I add these 2 equations to cancel out the tension?
 
maniacp08 said:
I drew a free body diagrams for each block.

each mass has the same forces acting on them which is
Normal Force
Force of gravity
Force of friction
Tension Force

This is what I've been doing.
For M1 I have as the sum of the forces
(Force parallel)M1*g sin Theta + Tension Force - Friction Force = M1 * A

For M2 I have as the sum of the forces
(Force parallel)M2*g sin Theta - Tension Force - Friction Force = M2 * A

Is this correct? If so can I add these 2 equations to cancel out the tension?
Looks good to me :approve:
 
Awsome! THanks!

How would I calculate the tension?

I found out the Acc = .115 m/s^2
 
maniacp08 said:
Awsome! THanks!

How would I calculate the tension?

I found out the Acc = .115 m/s^2
You can either eliminate a from your two equations and then solve for T, or simply plug the value of a into either one of the equations and solve for T.

It's always a good idea to check your answer by substituting both your values (T and a) into one or both of the equations to check that they work.
 
Thanks so much for your help =].
btw I like watching House too =]
 

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