Friction Problem -- String is tied to a block and a hanging bucket

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block on a table connected to a hanging bucket via a pulley. The block has a mass of 4.4 kg, and the bucket starts with a mass of 120 g, with additional washers being added to it. The problem includes calculations related to static and kinetic friction, as well as the acceleration of the block when the system begins to move.

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  • Participants explore the maximum force of static friction and the number of washers that can be added without moving the block. They also discuss the calculation of acceleration when the system starts to move, with some participants questioning their own results and the assumptions made regarding the setup.

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Some participants have shared their calculations and methodologies, noting slight variations in their results. There is acknowledgment of a discrepancy between their findings and the book's answer, with suggestions that the book may contain an error. The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification and further input from others.

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Participants are operating under the assumption that the coefficient of static friction is 0.42, and the coefficient of kinetic friction is 0.34. There is also a focus on ensuring the correct interpretation of the problem setup, particularly regarding the presence of a pulley.

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A string is tied to a 4.4 kg block and 120g hanging bucket. Students add 20g washers one at a time to the bucket. The student are unaware that the
coefficient of static friction for the block on the table is 0.42.
A) what is the maximum force of static friction for the block?
Answer: 18.11N
B) how many washers can the students add to the bucket without moving the block?
Answer: 86
C) the coefficient on kinetic friction is 0.34. Calculate the acceleration of the block when the final washer is added to the bucket and the objects start to move...

How do get c)? I got 0.56m/s^2 but the answer in the book is 0.75m/s^2
 
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Is it correct to assume that there is a pulley present somewhere?

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
Is it correct to assume that there is a pulley present somewhere?

Chet
ya there is a pulley between the bucket and the block. Basically, the block is sitting on the table and there is a pulley at the edge of the table. The bucket is hanging from the string that is on the pulley. its like the usual diagrams.

I also did the same procedure but I am not getting that answer!
 
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Show us how you got your answer? How can we help you if we.don't know the details of what you did?

Chet
 
Nithya115 said:
ya there is a pulley between the bucket and the block. Basically, the block is sitting on the table and there is a pulley at the edge of the table. The bucket is hanging from the string that is on the pulley. its like the usual diagrams.
Chestermiller said:
Show us how you got your answer? How can we help you if we.don't know the details of what you did?

Chet
a= m2g -Fs/ m1 + m2
a= (1.86 x 9.8) - 15/ (4.4 + 1.86)
a= 0.52m/s^2I got Fs by...
Fs = (0.34)(Fn=4.4x9.8)
= 1.86

I got m2 by...
1. calculating the mass of the washers
20g x 87 washers = 1740g
2. adding the bucket and washers
120g + 1740g = 1860g
3. converted to kg
1860g/1000g=1.86 kg
 
Your methodology is solid. I get 0.57 m/s2, in rough agreement with your 0.56. The book shows 0.75, but they got the digits interchanged. For the kinetic friction force, I got 14.7 N.

Chet
 
Just a second confirmation; I get 0.58 m/s2 as well.
 
Brul said:
Just a second confirmation; I get 0.58 m/s2 as well.
Hi Brul. Welcome to Physics Forums.

Chet
 
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Hello and thank you!
 
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Chestermiller said:
Your methodology is solid. I get 0.57 m/s2, in rough agreement with your 0.56. The book shows 0.75, but they got the digits interchanged. For the kinetic friction force, I got 14.7 N.

Chet
Thanks. I rounded the kinetic force to 15 which I probably should avoid.
 

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