Frustrated by simple algebra problem

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The problem involves the linear expansion of a metal rod in relation to temperature changes, expressed through the formula L - L0 = aL0(t - t0). Participants are tasked with expressing L as a linear function of t and identifying the slope and y-intercept, while navigating the roles of constants and variables in the equation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore different interpretations of the equation, attempting to express L in the form of y = mx + b. Some suggest treating constants as variables, while others question the implications of this approach. Various attempts to simplify the equation are discussed, including assuming values for constants.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and questioning the definitions of constants versus variables. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of constants, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or interpretation of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the treatment of L0 and t0 as constants, and whether they can be ignored in the context of the problem. There is an acknowledgment that these parameters would typically have specific numerical values in a concrete scenario.

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Homework Statement


For small changes in temperature, the formula for the expansion of a metal rod under a change of temperature is:
L-Lo = aLo(t - to)
L= length at temp. t
Lo= initial length at temp. to
a= constant that depends on metal
A) express L as a linear function of t. Find the slope and y intercept(hint: treat the other quantities as constants.)


Homework Equations


Y=mx+b
Y-Yo=m(x-xo)



The Attempt at a Solution


Solution 1?: the slope is aLo as stated by the equation, and the y intercept is Lo...
Distribute
L= a lot-aLoto+Lo
L=Lo(at-ato+1)
Doesnt work, still has variable to, lo, etc.

Solution 2?: assume a=1
L=Lo(t-to+1)
Slope= Lo? Y intercept also lo?

Solution 3: Lo, a and to=0
L=0... doesn't work

Or, pretend all constants=1
L-1=1(t-1)
L=t
Seems too specific.

I don't really know from which other angle to tackle this problem, I would appreciate some ideas, although I can imagine the answer should be obvious to me. I don't know how to turn this fully into y=mx+b. Thanks in advance.
 
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Are to, lo variables? Or are they constants which look like variables?
 
SteamKing said:
Are to, lo variables? Or are they constants which look like variables?

They are constants i suppose, because they are the initial condition which doesn't change. But i don't understand what "treat them as constants" means... does it mean i could just ignore them?

Tried another way..
From L=a lot-aLoto+lo
Y intercept= aLoto+lo
Slope=aLo
 
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aerospacedout said:
They are constants i suppose, because they are the initial condition which doesn't change. But i don't understand what "treat them as constants" means... does it mean i could just ignore them?

Tried another way..
From L=a lot-aLoto+lo
Y intercept= aLoto+lo
Slope=aLo
That y intercept is -aL0t0 + L0 .

Either way might be correct.

The initial result is correct if the y-axis is at t = t0 .

The result is the post quoted here is correct if the y-axis is at t = 0 .

The slope is the same in both cases.

The result you have in your Original Post makes more sense to me.
 
aerospacedout said:
They are constants i suppose, because they are the initial condition which doesn't change. But i don't understand what "treat them as constants" means... does it mean i could just ignore them?

Tried another way..
From L=a lot-aLoto+lo
Y intercept= aLoto+lo
Slope=aLo

Your final answer here is not quite correct. If we use 'intercept' to have its normal meaning, then you need Intercept = L_0 - a L_0 t_0 (not L_0 + a L_0 t_0 as you wrote).

"Treating them as constants" means that they are not the variables in this problem, but certainly you cannot ignore them. The only "variables" here are L and t. In a specific problem the parameters L_0 and t_0 would be given some numerical values, but that would still allow L and t to vary.
 
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