Fuison/fission, where does the energy come from?

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The discussion revolves around the origins of energy in nuclear fusion and fission processes, particularly in relation to binding energy and mass deficit. Participants explore the concepts of binding energy, stability of elements, and the energy released during nuclear reactions, including applications in atomic bombs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that iron has the highest binding energy per nucleon, leading to its stability, and questions the source of energy released during fusion and fission processes.
  • Another participant points out that binding energy is negative, implying that it is a measure of energy required to unbind nucleons from the nucleus.
  • A different participant suggests that the energy comes from the forces between nucleons, although this is not elaborated upon.
  • One contribution clarifies that binding energy is an energy deficit and compares it to gravitational potential energy, stating that it does not originate from anywhere.
  • Another participant reiterates the initial question about the energy source for the increase in binding energy and adds that external energy is needed to overcome electrostatic repulsion when bringing nuclei together, which is then transformed into binding energy.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of binding energy and its implications for energy release in nuclear reactions. There is no consensus on the exact source of energy related to binding energy and mass deficit.

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Some statements rely on specific interpretations of binding energy and may depend on definitions that are not universally agreed upon. The discussion includes assumptions about the roles of external energy and the transformation of energy forms that remain unresolved.

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I've been wondering,
Iron has the most binding energy per nucleon amongst elements and thus realized to be the most "stable" element.

Smaller or bigger elements (compared to iron) can fuse or undergo fission respectively.
As they fuse or undergo fission, it becomes more stable (the product element will have more binding energy per nucleon, losing its average mass per nucleon).

This surplus in binding energy per nucleon comes from the rest mass deficit of the product atoms compared to the reactants.

Atomic bombs use principles in fission and fusion. So, where does the energy released for the 'explosion' come from?

if it comes from the mass deficit between product and reactant, where does the energy for the increase in binding energy come from?

Thank you!
 
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Binding energy is negative. Otherwise elements would all just fall apart!
 
It comes from the force between nucleons.
 
To add my two cents worth to the two correct responses above: The binding energy is the average energy required to unbind a nucleon from the nucleus. It doesn't come from anywhere because it is not a form of energy but an energy deficit. It is like gravitational potential energy. We say an object on the Earth surface has -GmM/R of gravitational binding energy. It takes that much energy to unbind it from the Earth's gravitation.

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v_bachtiar said:
I've been wondering,
Iron has the most binding energy per nucleon amongst elements and thus realized to be the most "stable" element.

Smaller or bigger elements (compared to iron) can fuse or undergo fission respectively.
As they fuse or undergo fission, it becomes more stable (the product element will have more binding energy per nucleon, losing its average mass per nucleon).

This surplus in binding energy per nucleon comes from the rest mass deficit of the product atoms compared to the reactants.

Atomic bombs use principles in fission and fusion. So, where does the energy released for the 'explosion' come from?

if it comes from the mass deficit between product and reactant, where does the energy for the increase in binding energy come from?

Thank you!
it is known that to bring the two nuclei together(because there is electrostatic repulsion) , there is needed some force,supplied by external energy source,but when nuclei bring together they suffer opposing force cancelling net effect.But its important to notice than these external energy cannot be lost ,so this energy is added to binding energy(as nuclear energy),but the big amount of mass is lost contributing the energy release.Donot be confused that these beneficial energy came from loosing matter of nucleons and not from original binding energy.And talking about final binding energy its the original binding energy plus the kinetic energy (original external energy supplied)
 

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